From: "Roderick Klein" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.10) with ESMTPS id 9215590 for cwmm-dev@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:29:23 -0500 Received: from secmgr-va.2rosenthals.com ([50.73.8.217]:45378 helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by mail.2rosenthals.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1rbluf-0001D3-2n for cwmm-dev@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:29:18 -0500 Received: from ewsoutbound.kpnmail.nl ([195.121.94.185]:53507) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtps (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.96) (envelope-from ) id 1rbluc-00086n-2R for cwmm-dev@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 13:29:15 -0500 X-KPN-MessageId: 95c14fe7-ce8b-11ee-99a2-005056999439 Received: from smtp.kpnmail.nl (unknown [10.31.155.6]) by ewsoutbound.so.kpn.org (Halon) with ESMTPS id 95c14fe7-ce8b-11ee-99a2-005056999439; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:29:00 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=xs4all.nl; s=xs4all01; h=content-type:subject:to:mime-version:from:date:message-id; bh=p2bfFwMWayCTMgI2cpv7ZHtoKq6hiadsIpTDEcQr7G4=; b=VbIjwcXcRi+JzjAaGH9p2K6EbEXb+9orqgSZULmqBwmjf9IaX/sYeUIEkHgUxg+uFexSM1L+54m/f fB81h8PQGhMzN1S8lKq8QL/JyXO1RCxzavLkcStthVj5WDbGoIvXpO4sFxa1xF4KrGC1hdnSJuCCjN VPUr1tREEcN9ocYMMY5PIUrTXOGMehGm3B4CD47aHfW2bXvgvz/6921RZmRLE4mdqoFr+S4hZetWH9 G2MZ/SGGle1mOF3ePxXr4yOQ5rz8UxzkX4XiPg2Hk4j1Ku1w0wdcMska09A36mwpIjK/uYcKYeM3XN z8nOzapaoYOodu8xHLI55v75jVkEiAA== X-KPN-MID: 33|2dHBRSEWM2Ra2Lsx5S+MqYtMGrrN8Rsnd/JbnkNyBx3NTxvq3woG1SkQkGpLIxb ZYeJ9u3eXK0GsMy4zu/Qz+UG+njyk9Ht7MH7NTwlBTHY= X-KPN-VerifiedSender: Yes X-CMASSUN: 33|0aN4/6ozO+kKYvULdNWHxGNs8HSzpnLrg7wB0JV+kF+MglnjN7sBajqUDMcST2G L21HiuXJUT4SdUd3ZkXdrUA== X-Originating-IP: 45.138.54.154 Received: from [192.168.243.106] (smcc.connected.by.freedominter.net [45.138.54.154]) by smtp.xs4all.nl (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 9d3f3686-ce8b-11ee-9e7c-00505699772e; Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:29:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <65D24C78.7060401@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2024 19:29:12 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; Warp 4.5; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CWMM Developers Mailing List Subject: Re: [cwmm-dev] CWMM testing so far with SMplayer and mplayer combined... References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 18-02-24 17:39, Dave Yeo wrote: > On 02/18/24 06:12 AM, Roderick Klein wrote: >>> >>> AIUI, neither SMPlayer nor MPlayer is problematic to distribute, only >>> some of the codecs. >> >> That is my concern. What codecs can we include and what we cannot >> include ? >> >> Can we include the MP3 codec, I seem to remember we did not include in >> ArcaOS as we where not certain if we could. mp3licensing.com closed up >> shop. But how is that with other audio and video codecs ? > > I don't think the codecs are a concern as they're mostly used for > decoding. Sorry this is not how it works for IP licensing schemes for video/audio codecs, some of them, but most do not make a difference betweeen decoding or encoding for licensing purposes. >Possible exceptions are the newest video codecs such as H265. > Perhaps don't include mencoder.exe if worried about encoding. > >> >> The orginal quickmotion and Windows 3.1 video codecs at the time we >> started on MMOS/2 for ArcaOS where removed as well because of possible >> patent issue's. > > Any patents that covered those have likely expired along with the MP3 > codec. MP3 is audio. not video, that is covered by different patents and licenses... Such as Indeo and Quicktime. What pattened is applicable to MPLAYER I guess nobody knows. >>> Why not: >>> >>> 1. Split the codecs out into their own package. >> >> I am not an mplayer expert. But I just have a single mplayer exe file, >> no codec directory with files. But if you split off the codecs what are >> you left with ? > > MPlayer currently includes FFmpeg which by itself covers most codecs, > demuxers etc, so there is little need for the old Windows codecs. > What is possibly illegal is the code to crack DVD's. Whether anyone > cares now a days, I don't know. Some Linux's used to download from > Europe to avoid problems. At least Mint doesn't seem to do that anymore. The big difference is that most Linux distro's are available free of charge. ArcaOS is a commercial project and that changes the whole discussion. Roderick