From: "Tim Stephen" <ecs-t6x@2rosenthals.com>
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Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 22:16:14 -0400 (EDT)
Reply-To: "Tim Stephen" <stephen@albany.edu>
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Subject: Re: [eCS T60/T61] T410:   Lenovo's Thoughtful ThinkPad Is a Near-Perfect Machine

I think there is a tn3270 client for os/2.  I've never used it but
perhaps you have and it is not up to your requirements.  But just in
case you didn't know, I think there is one.

Tim

On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:38:16 -0400 (EDT), Carl Gehr wrote:

>On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 05:46:34 -0700, Neil Waldhauer wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 17 Sep 2010 02:44:36 -0400 (EDT), "Carl Gehr" <ecs-t6x@2rosenthals.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> I don't have time, but it would be interesting if someone
>>> could investigate the usual components that cause eCS to
>>> have problems and report on how likely eCS is to run on
>>> this TPad T410.
>>
>>Did your T60 ever work? Nothing beyond a T60 will work as well. Did you notice
>>that the T60 is slower than older machines?
>>
>>If you can live with the T410 being slower than T60, and no WiFi, then it's
>>probably OK. No one has  tried one, yet. It will run extra hot, but thats why
>>you have a warranty.
>>
>>It looks like improvements to ACPI to support the T60 are now under way. That
>>will probably improve things for newer laptops in a year or so.
>
>The only hardware on my T60 that does not work is the built-in modem. 
>Everything else works.
>
>Maybe it does not work as well as I'd like [e.g., Audio], but it does
>work.
>
>The major issues I have are problems with eCS and what it supports, or
>more accurately does NOT SUPPORT.  e.g., 
>* No current FLASH
>* No current Adobe Acrobat Reader
>* While not an eCS issue, there is no good TN3270 emulator
>  for eCS.  If you don't use IBM z/OS or z/VM mainframe,
>  this is not an issue for you.  But, again, it is a
>  problem with the SOFTWARE that is available, not with
>  the T60.
>ALL of these issues exist for eCS users even if you are using
>a T2x or whatever.
>
>As far as speed, maybe I'm just not as impatient as you.  I could get
>faster CPUs, but that would only mean I'll 'wait faster' for the
>network or other I/O.
>
>Now, having said all this, I use the TPad for business and software
>development.  I don't play games or such.  This is a business tool, not
>a toy.  
>
>I should also mention that my wife has a relatively new custom-built
>for eCS desktop/tower system.  The above issues exist for that system
>also.  Actually, that system has even more issues in that I've never
>been able to get that system to recognize her HP Scanner that worked
>fine on an older tower.  Likewise, the LaserJet printer that was
>connected via a parallel adapter does not work with the Parallel-to-USB
>connector that DOES work with my T60.
>
>Sorry, but my issue is with eCS not with the T60.  Maybe if there were
>not so much effort devoted to T2x support they could spend time on
>newer models. 
>
>If I did not have things that I do for my business that cannot easily
>be migrated to Linux [e.g., a decent TN3270 emulator - different issues
>than the eCS problems], I probably would not still be on eCS.  So, I'm
>rather stuck at this point.
>
>Just my experience.  YMMV, and I guess clearly does.
>-- 
>Carl
>
>
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