From: "Gregg Young" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.10) with ESMTPS id 1170478 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:20 -0400 Received: from [192.168.200.201] (port=51490 helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by mail.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1kNoOB-0000w5-00 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:32:11 -0400 Received: from mail.onyx.syn-alias.com ([206.152.134.66]:60461 helo=smtp.centurylink.net) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384:256) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1kNoJE-0004wv-1A for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:27:04 -0400 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020C.5F753FAB.000B,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A02020D.5F753E78.0025,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 Return-Path: X_CMAE_Category: , , X-CNFS-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=WMUBoUkR c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=AhLag5gAyMpl8Ac6OuiE9g==:117 a=AhLag5gAyMpl8Ac6OuiE9g==:17 a=KGjhK52YXX0A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=reM5J-MqmosA:10 a=ysqN1OIC4P0A:10 a=eQrCS-SpgXYA:10 a=y_hCEIy6AAAA:8 a=pZvsmsPE05KigLH1l5QA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=TL2f3ZzNDqUA:10 a=28GAIOD01pAA:10 a=H642AXJ-IbsA:10 a=MKr-9MqT9lgA:10 a=oF_bVFE_NRt-FRUPIfFZ:22 X-CM-Score: 0 X-Scanned-by: Cloudmark Authority Engine Feedback-ID: dfw:ctl:res:onyx X-Authed-Username: eWdrQHF3ZXN0Lm5ldA== Authentication-Results: smtp04.onyx.dfw.sync.lan smtp.user=ygk@qwest.net; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [71.37.78.186] ([71.37.78.186:64632] helo=ZOBOPEEP) by smtp.centurylink.net (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.6.25.56547 r(Core:3.6.25.0)) with ESMTPA id 95/70-26425-67E357F5; Wed, 30 Sep 2020 22:27:03 -0400 Message-ID: <100.c85b0e006b3e755f.011@qwest.net> To: "lSwitcher Developers Mailing List" Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2020 20:26:51 -0600 (MDT) Reply-To: "Gregg Young" In-Reply-To: References: Priority: Normal User-Agent: PMMail/3.25 (os/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; i386; ver 3.25.00.1984) X-Mailer: PMMail 3.25.00.1984 for OS/2 Warp 4.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [lswitcher-dev] lSwitcher-2-92-0-RC_12.wpi On Wed, 30 Sep 2020 21:44:30 -0400 Lewis wrote: > >Hi... > >On 09/30/20 07:17 pm, Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote: >>Hi Gregg, >> >>On 20/09/27 20:33, Gregg Young wrote: >>>On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:44:59 +0200 Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote: >>... >>>>>You have a plan for forcing the update of XWP on all systems and >>>>>preventing the use of Warp Center which we can't fix and you know >>>>>for certain these are the only programs that use this? >>>> >>>>I always have a plan. Phase I is getting to know how all of this >>>>works >>>>without looking at the code. Thanks for your help ;) >>> >>>Hi Alfred >>> >>>The real solution would be modifying WinSetDesktopWorkArea in PMMERGE >>>to >>>check to see if the desktop was already reduced and return an error on >>>any subsequent call except one to restore the desktop to its original >>>size. Of course this isn't going to happen. >> >>I certainly don't count on it happening, but it sounds like a pretty >>well known thing. Hm. >> > >Indeed. It's just another of those well known PMMERGE quirks (I say >"quirks" vs "bugs," as there is little to no chance of ever seeing such >things fixed). Of course, there's the DOT patch, so who knows? The DOT issue was a major PIA. This is mildly inconvenient so no it isn't going to be fixed. > >>>We need to remember this is an undocumented call and IBM never >>>intended >>>for others to use it. As such it was not designed for that >>>possibility. >>>Just like it wasn't designed to be called with a less than full width >>>window over the reduced area. >> >>I see. >> >>>For completeness of your planning I can >>>probably hide the stupid desktop titlebar. >> >>Yes, that's probably better. >> > >But I like to know what that "big window" is consuming my screen... :-) Well assuming I get around to fixing this I will put in switch so you can keep the title bar;-) I am not planning on addressing this for 2.92. > >>>>I imagine the lack of a WarpCenter object in ArcaOS kind of prevents >>>>its use. If the people at ArcaNoae were really determined to do that >>>>I imagine they could also prevent the SmartCenter class from being >>>>registered in the first place in future versions. That would be an >>>>even >>>>safer way to be sure nothing will interfere with what's not even >>>>there. >>>>And I imagine those people would want as many customers as possible >>>>to >>>>be reasonably updated. Seriously, how many people are left outside >>>>that >>>>lot (besides me ;)? >>> >>>Probably a lot; OS/2 users aren't exactly a progressive bunch. I know >>>one >>>that is still using a prehistoric version of lSwitcher;-) >> >>You think that's prehistoric? You should see the WordPerfect macros I'm >>writing lately ;p >> > >:-) > >>Point taken, though (listening to Lewis' input as well -- I used the >>warp 3 launcher on Warp 4 for ages, hehe). >> > >As OS/2 users, we value our freedom of choice as opposed to whatever >the software publishers *think* is best for us. The LaunchPad caught on >quickly for many of us, and served us well for some time. Heck, it took >me a long time to switch away from WarpCenter to XCenter. > >>>>Then it's all a matter of documenting things properly (do not do this >>>>and that for such and such reason: just a twist on the current docs) >>>>and >>>>wait for reports of the three people in the entire universe who still >>>>see something break up in their systems. >>> >>>Fortunately they never bother to report anything. Think my breaking of >>>all >>>the non-English languages in 2.91 and never hearing anything about it. >> >>Hey, *I* reported that. Maybe not in time for 2.91, but... >> >>... >>>>I'll have a look at that later. I've changed a couple of strings to >>>>stay >>>>closer to the current English menu (lSwitcher settings -> Properties, >>>>and help mnemonics). >>> >>>Am I to read this that I need to change the hotkeys again. Remember >>>the >>>mnemonics and hotkeys must match. >> >>As you probably have realized by now, no; I meant the mnemonics for >>"Help" on the taskbar menu. So those two letters change on that menu >>alone, and the rest is untouched. >> >>>>Yeah, I've written better pieces. Have a look at the screenshot. >>>>'Programs' is a WPS folder: you can make it 'Close' but not 'Quit'. >>>>Maybe the 'Close' menu should be replaced by its first child item, >>>>which >>>>is the only one that works in that situation. >>> >>>I think Quit just needs to be removed it has no advantage over close >>>and mostly doesn't work. >> >>It seems to work here for *applications* (not WPS folders). I am not >>clear on the (dis)advantages when closing programs, though, but if >>there are none, why was it there in the first place? >> > >I think Gregg's point is that Quit doesn't really work any better or >worse than Close. IOW, I've never had a running process refuse to close >but was then able to use Quit. It works, surely, but when it does, Close >should also work, so there's no real advantage to having the extra >option. Exactly. While I might of added it I don't no of any good reason for it existing. > >>Having seen r13b, I think I concur with Lewis: I'd prefer a single >>'Close' lSwitcher menu entry for folders in the taskbar (since only >>that makes sense), but for programs, and if possible, I'd rather have a >>'Close' submenu with the different methods. I think Dos/Sigkill look a >>bit daunting, not being normal words and that, and it would be better >>if at least non-tech-savvy people can tell right away they're just >>modes of closing a task. >> > >Exactly. I will look at fixing this. Last change for 2.92. Thanks Gregg > >>>>>>-Packaging: any particular reason why we keep old English readmes, >>>>>>i.e. >>>>>>readme.v*? >>>>> >>>>>I always package the historic readmes on my first release. They can >>>>>probably go away now. Thanks >> >>Don't forget for the GA - they're still in the rc13 wpi, I don't know >>whether intentionally. >> >>>>Thank you for all you do ^^ >>> >>>Your welcome. Thanks for your help and translations. >> >>:) >> > >Cheers > >-- >Lewis > > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing >list . >To unsubscribe, E-mail to: >To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to > >To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to > >Send administrative queries to >To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to: > and reply to the confirmation email. >Web archives are publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com > >This list is hosted by Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC >P.O. Box 281, Deer Park, NY 11729-0281. Non- >electronic communications related to content >contained in these messages should be directed >to the above address. (CAN-SPAM Act of 2003) > >=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >