From: "Andy Willis" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.10) with ESMTPS id 1051338 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 10:19:02 -0400 Received: from [192.168.200.201] (port=52938 helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by mail.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1kDq4g-0005V7-39 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 10:18:51 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f171.google.com ([209.85.219.171]:44788) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1kDpzh-0007Xw-11 for lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 10:13:41 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f171.google.com with SMTP id h206so2286839ybc.11 for ; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 07:13:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=dwn9pB6YRYL/tUJ4MYQ4YzY8wFAHPRdnnyxB4Mdkt9M=; b=kUhG8H6UDUvCxOe8Wa2WeTMzf/cH0sSJygR2RhGuwVTvnzOcw+D/g15tW2AoWR2gBX R5rWmgrCxjqondFwTkduSQpyTUOk2aYrsLa30qMA/WOorOrGCft9khuNUUWH8CnhOgo3 Dj4Uj0sfhkdSKy9R6nRWwbLK0i8FMPi+NvWl3Rp5kjecVmS4NSj+cJR1MD77JGbAayQu mFHdQfOTSuBcU9pIy6SdabesA18xMxpg/3comDFsHdiIiQVZ9ZhaUhh0GtbT69kOw71i 2OMn5EUa7iNGV+gZ/+um5P5m9xJUa76Vr+xhvQ7XYXoy0yVMSeOvIvjtpKLghz6Z7+/N VbJQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=dwn9pB6YRYL/tUJ4MYQ4YzY8wFAHPRdnnyxB4Mdkt9M=; b=R2aTpLnC1EXqYRnFq87QKsUFQ9BwM8L8t+giyy+5EbznQ3yte8ZZ3dOSKt6L4djx21 rPFIY8v2ZgZdbHhekdgFW09GlxLaJg5IMzZOoniR273x05ZFtPXHXsEeVg7fNSZKwxb/ 5GwOVLJh864b+phmWEzFwzUEZfduOW5cJFUT+TxQpbdLISED3WaXF95s4ly22f16WNgn WHWasDtpKHcjRmjlCiT9cQu+yqZC/WurwrpQtdhNykrcBHOv46qGJAQz9uUnS2H+XMHK 3NOzfiY7F0b1RvFtJ1dfUjSgL8pLE4qovV9x39+aImsE7u4sG1CccGDDRX2mzxvKyNmS +K9A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533gwLQBeavIRzgww1pwa7kTtcmsdn2CH9UwcJhH1fSn1dF1QN6c SDyzx+HEVBXQyJ7+eXuPRp761Gu41ASTRpvKCDjKZYHJ X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxwInGDGv9SB2TNk4AEJ6RyC/Y3sPmjYe1t8QeWjgNao4zxmSgpfc1lhtABxdyislL/dhGr878pwh0pyzdEiuA= X-Received: by 2002:a25:7146:: with SMTP id m67mr2914357ybc.362.1599142419997; Thu, 03 Sep 2020 07:13:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2020 09:13:28 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lswitcher-dev] lSwitcher 2.92 RC 6 To: lSwitcher Developers Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e3a81b05ae695ba1" --000000000000e3a81b05ae695ba1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry for top post, from phone, but had been avoiding answering due to it long enough... I am not sure if it absolutely failed having two Reduce Desktops (I have done it in the past) or if it was just that it is undefined what happens with more than one and icon creep seemed linked to it. On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 22:36 Lewis wrote: > I heard my name being mentioned (my ears were burning)... > > On 09/02/20 03:23 am, Alfredo Fern=C3=A1ndez D=C3=ADaz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > On 20/09/02 04:41, Gregg Young wrote: > >> On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 20:57:40 +0200 Alfredo Fern=C3=A1ndez D=C3=ADaz wro= te: > > > >>> For some reason the > >>> system won't let you Cascade or Tile some windows, such as the Deskto= p > >>> itself, or the DHCP monitor from the Window list, and I just did it > with > >>> lSwitcher. However, results do not always look 'happy' -- have a look > at > >>> the screenshots. > >> > >> The screenshots are irrelevant to cascade and tile. These only change > the > >> size and position of the program relative to the desktop. Many program= s > do > >> not allow this (not my problem). > >> > >> If you wish to convince me there is a problem you need to show me a ca= se > >> where what happened is different than using cascade or tile from the > >> window list. > >> > >> That mean a full screen screen shot before the tile or cascade and a > full > >> screen screen shot post. You then need to start from the exact same > >> position and size and repeat this with the windows list. If they are t= he > >> same it is performing as designed. > > > > OK, let's see if I can word this better... > > > > +DCHP Monitor (to pick a program present on all systems): > > -Has a non-resizable window. > > -From the Window list you can bring up a context menu with Cascade and > > Tile in it. Selecting "Tile" seems to do nothing, and "Cascade" only > moves > > the window to the screen upper left corner. > > -From the lSwitcher PM popup, targeting DHCP Monitor and pressing T for > > Tile or A for Cascade *will* move the DHCP Monitor window around *and* > > resize it as in the screenshots I sent last time. > > > > If that's not "different" enough, to get the DHCP monitor window back t= o > > normal afterwards you need to close it and open its program object agai= n. > > > > +Desktop: > > -This window is full-screen, not resizable or movable, and has no > visible > > title bar. > > -The only actions allowed from its Window list context menu are "Switch > > to" and Help, i.e. no "Cascade" and no "Tile" (What would "change size > and > > position relative to Desktop" mean for the Desktop itself anyway?) > > -From the lSwitcher PM popup, targeting the Desktop and pressing T or A > > for Tile or Cascade *will* give the Desktop window a title bar with no > > controls, and make it smaller than the screen, as in the other > screenshot > > I sent. > > -Once the Desktop is like this, you need to restart it or reboot to get > > back to normal. > > > > ... > >>> Help says "'Reduce Desktop workarea' /will/ fail " [with XCenter], an= d > >>> now lSwitcher actually prevents you from checking it with > 'auto-resize'. > >>> I thought this would be because of the new XWP, but there must be > >>> some other reason -- I just checked a fresh AOS5055 (so newest XWP) > >>> with Andrei's last lSwitcher and it can reduce the Desktop workarea > >>> cooperatively with XCenter (see lsw_old), so no need to prevent users > >>> from checking this. I would consider this a regression. > >>> > >>> As for a real RFE, PM popup icons have a context menu that you can > bring > >>> up by clicking on them with MB2. How about making the PM popup react > >>> to the same PM message coming from the keyboard? (Originally mapped t= o > >>> Shift-F10, can also be triggered on Windows keys with Styler). > >> > >> The change is based on the documentation and I don't know how safe or > >> consistent this is. Thanks > > > > Do you mean somebody else (Lewis?) wrote "this may fail" ("will fail" > now) > > in the help, and you prevented the option from being selectable because > it > > will fail, or...? > > > > Hmmm... Did I write that? Seems odd. Checking... > > Well, the SVN log says: > > r37 | gyoung | 2013-04-28 17:47:02 +0100 (Sun, 28 Apr 2013) | 1 line > > Created an ipf file for lswitcher based on the readme for version 2.70. > The > file was generated with > Viperhelp. Moved the readme files to a docs subdirectory. > > So, looking at the Andrei's 2.70 readme, I don't see it. It was added > prior > to 2.80, however. Looks like Gregg's r71 added this: > > :p.Reduce Desktop fails if it has already been called by another program > &lpar.i.e. xWorkplace&rpar.&per. > > Perhaps this was an issue in 2.80 which was subsequently fixed (either in > XWP or lSwitcher), and it just never made its way out of the known issues > list. > > -- > Lewis > > > =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-= =3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D > This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to > the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to: > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to < > lswitcher-dev-digest@2rosenthals.com> > To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to < > lswitcher-dev-index@2rosenthals.com> > Send administrative queries to > To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to: > and reply to the confirmation email. > Web archives are publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com > > This list is hosted by Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC > P.O. 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Sorry for top post, from phone, but had been avoidin= g answering due to it long enough...
I am not sure if it a= bsolutely failed having two Reduce Desktops (I have done it in the past) or= if it was just that it is undefined what happens with more than one and ic= on creep seemed linked to it.


On Wed, Sep 2, 2020, 22:36 Lewis <lswitcher-dev@2rosenthals.com> wrote:
I heard my name being= mentioned (my ears were burning)...

On 09/02/20 03:23 am, Alfredo Fern=C3=A1ndez D=C3=ADaz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 20/09/02 04:41, Gregg Young wrote:
>> On Tue, 1 Sep 2020 20:57:40 +0200 Alfredo Fern=C3=A1ndez D=C3=ADaz= wrote:
> <snip>
>>> For some reason the
>>> system won't let you Cascade or Tile some windows, such as= the Desktop
>>> itself, or the DHCP monitor from the Window list, and I just d= id it with
>>> lSwitcher. However, results do not always look 'happy'= -- have a look at
>>> the screenshots.
>>
>> The screenshots are irrelevant to cascade and tile. These only cha= nge the
>> size and position of the program relative to the desktop. Many pro= grams do
>> not allow this (not my problem).
>>
>> If you wish to convince me there is a problem you need to show me = a case
>> where what happened is different than using cascade or tile from t= he
>> window list.
>>
>> That mean a full screen screen shot before the tile or cascade and= a full
>> screen screen shot post. You then need to start from the exact sam= e
>> position and size and repeat this with the windows list. If they a= re the
>> same it is performing as designed.
>
> OK, let's see if I can word this better...
>
> +DCHP Monitor (to pick a program present on all systems):
> -Has a non-resizable window.
> -From the Window list you can bring up a context menu with Cascade and=
> Tile in it. Selecting "Tile" seems to do nothing, and "= Cascade" only moves
> the window to the screen upper left corner.
> -From the lSwitcher PM popup, targeting DHCP Monitor and pressing T fo= r
> Tile or A for Cascade *will* move the DHCP Monitor window around *and*=
> resize it as in the screenshots I sent last time.
>
> If that's not "different" enough, to get the DHCP monito= r window back to
> normal afterwards you need to close it and open its program object aga= in.
>
> +Desktop:
> -This window is full-screen, not resizable or movable, and has no visi= ble
> title bar.
> -The only actions allowed from its Window list context menu are "= Switch
> to" and Help, i.e. no "Cascade" and no "Tile"= (What would "change size and
> position relative to Desktop" mean for the Desktop itself anyway?= )
> -From the lSwitcher PM popup, targeting the Desktop and pressing T or = A
> for Tile or Cascade *will* give the Desktop window a title bar with no=
> controls, and make it smaller than the screen, as in the other screens= hot
> I sent.
> -Once the Desktop is like this, you need to restart it or reboot to ge= t
> back to normal.
>
> ...
>>> Help says "'Reduce Desktop workarea' /will/ fail = " [with XCenter], and
>>> now lSwitcher actually prevents you from checking it with '= ;auto-resize'.
>>> I thought this would be because of the new XWP, but there must= be
>>> some other reason -- I just checked a fresh AOS5055 (so newest= XWP)
>>> with Andrei's last lSwitcher and it can reduce the Desktop= workarea
>>> cooperatively with XCenter (see lsw_old), so no need to preven= t users
>>> from checking this. I would consider this a regression.
>>>
>>> As for a real RFE, PM popup icons have a context menu that you= can bring
>>> up by clicking on them with MB2. How about making the PM popup= react
>>> to the same PM message coming from the keyboard? (Originally m= apped to
>>> Shift-F10, can also be triggered on Windows keys with Styler).=
>>
>> The change is based on the documentation and I don't know how = safe or
>> consistent this is. Thanks
>
> Do you mean somebody else (Lewis?) wrote "this may fail" (&q= uot;will fail" now)
> in the help, and you prevented the option from being selectable becaus= e it
> will fail, or...?
>

Hmmm... Did I write that? Seems odd. Checking...

Well, the SVN log says:

r37 | gyoung | 2013-04-28 17:47:02 +0100 (Sun, 28 Apr 2013) | 1 line

Created an ipf file for lswitcher based on the readme for version 2.70. The=
file was generated with
Viperhelp. Moved the readme files to a docs subdirectory.

So, looking at the Andrei's 2.70 readme, I don't see it. It was add= ed prior
to 2.80, however. Looks like Gregg's r71 added this:

:p.Reduce Desktop fails if it has already been called by another program &lpar.i.e. xWorkplace&rpar.&per.

Perhaps this was an issue in 2.80 which was subsequently fixed (either in <= br> XWP or lSwitcher), and it just never made its way out of the known issues l= ist.

--
Lewis


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