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From: "Gregg Young" <> Full Headers
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Subject: Re: [lswitcher-dev] lSwitcher documentation issues and functional clarifications
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 07:50:25 -0600 (MDT)
To: "lSwitcher Developers Mailing List" <>


>>>I'll update the wiki page in short order, and will add
>>>to the VOICE resources page (or ask Gordon to do
>>>On 10/19/17 08:27 pm, Gregg Young wrote:
>>>>Hi Lewis
>>>>>I'm knee-deep in working on the documentation,
>>>>>should have it together later today or tomorrow.
>>>>>First, some semantic issues (which may need to
>>>>>addressed in the message files, as well):
>>>>>Settings notebook:
>>>>>1. Popup window or Popup Window (proper case
>>>>>Settings tab and page title?)
>>>>Not sure but we should be consistent. Pick one.
>>>I'd pick Popup Window or just Popup (i.e., Popup,
>>>Taskbar, Widget for the four possible modes).
>>Popup etc works for me.
>(Anyone else on the list should speak up with any
>objections, please. In that case, please be ready to
>suggest an alternative.)
>>>>>2. Miscellaneous: General or Miscellaneous (there
>>>>>one page, so why
>>>>>   is it General?)
>>>>The Priority page now missing was Miscellaneous
>>>Okay. Then let's use the minor text of General for
>>>or (better) no minor text until Priority is added, and
>>>use General and Priority, leaving Miscellaneous for
>>>major tab text.
>>No minor should work fine.
>Good. That would be best. Add it later, when it makes
>sense in context.
>>>>>3. Minor tab text for multiple pages shouldn't have
>>>>>redundant names; thus
>>>>>   the following should be changed:
>>>>>    1. Popup window: General
>>>>>    2. Popup window: Exclude
>>>>>    3. Taskbar: General
>>>>>    4. Taskbar: Mouse
>>>>>    5. Taskbar:Exclude
>>>>This is what I inherited.
>>>>>   to simply:
>>>>>    1. General
>>>>>    2. Exclusions
>>>>>    3. General
>>>>>    4. Mouse
>>>>>    5. Exclusions
>>>>>   The tab title tells us to what the page refers.
>>>>Should be easy to change.
>>>Steve related how to do this to Konstantin, as
>>>Icons had a bunch of identically-titled pages. I
>>>last night, just to make sure I wasn't imagining this.
>>I am pretty sure this will be easy to do.
>Should be. I don't have the ticket number offhand, but
>the discussion is in a closed ticket in the Dynamic Icons
>subproject for ArcaOS-Dev.

I will find this if I have a problem but I don't think I will.

>>>>>4. Alt+Tab / Ctrl+Tab ("b" is truncated for both
>>>>>at several
>>>>>   resolutions)
>>>>Use the correct resolution:-). Probably an easy fix.
>>>>>5. "Sticky" popup window or Sticky popup (is there
>>>>>need for quotes?)
>>>>No also inherited.
>>>Quotes are going, then. They produce unnecessary
>>>clutter and impede readability - especially at higher
>>Works for me.
>Great. Thanks.
>>>>>6. Switch to PM from FS sessions (spell out full
>>>I think it makes more sense. *We* know what "FS"
>>>means, but as I have been reminded by some of our
>>>Arca Noae tickets, there are users returning to the
>>>platform from Warp 4 and much of the terminology
>>>we take for granted completely eludes them. We
>>>never assume our users are as fluent as we, as this
>>>leads to more nonsensical tickets. :-)
>>Easy fix. I will make the change
>>>>>7. Scroll message divider input box should be 1
>>>>>wider, methinks
>>>>>I don't understand the Scroll message divider
>>>>>Gregg. Please explain. The help currently says:
>>>>More broken then you think. My mouse is set to
>>>>lines per message so if this setting is 1 it moves it 3
>>>>icons. If it is 3 it moves it 1.
>>>It's certainly not a very reliable algorithm.
>>No kidding. What is 2/3 of an icon?-)
>>>Ultimately, a slider bar (not for this release) might be
>>>more appropriate, like the sensitivity setting for
>>Probably no more predictable.
>>>>I say this is broken because you set the Ctrl wheel
>>>>Alt wheel for amouse separately. I had both set to
>>>>nothing and with a nonsticky Alt-Tab window the
>>>>did nothing. Setting Alt wheel to scroll made it
>>>>make this work I need to make Alt wheel and Ctrl
>>>>look like wheel. This will be great when someone
>>>>unknowingly turns the volume to 0 trying to figure
>>>>why this doesn't work.
>>>Indeed, I had to hit the Ctrl key to get the Popup
>>>to test it. Longer term, do you just want to do away
>>>this setting?
>>May be it should go shorter term. Easier than fixing it.
>Fine with me. Unless there are objections from anyone
>else, I say let's lose it.

I will look at matching this to the line scroll setting for
Amouse internally so it will always be 1 icon per wheel

>>>Did I mention that Ctrl-Alt-S doesn't work when the
>>>Popup is sticky?
>>That doesn't surprise me Ctrl-Alt-anything isn't
>>the accel tables. What did you think it would do.
>Okay, with any app open and running, press Ctrl-Alt-S.
>The Taskbar may be hidden. The Properties notebook
>opens on the desktop. This is pretty neat, though I
>think it should work this way (what if something else
>focus wanted to grab those keys?). Anyway, this
>work when the Popup has focus.
>Ctrl-Alt-S is mentioned in the documentation.

It really isn't in the accel tables, It is hard coded
LSWhook,c ~336. As an aside I decided to set an object
hotkey to Ctrl+Alt+S to see what would happen. Object
hot key aren't enabled but the help brought me to the

The "ArcaOS Desktop Setup" object lets you configure
the additional features ArcaOS Desktop adds to your
Workplace Shell. Depending on the settings in this
object, ArcaOS Desktop can replace or enhance the
behavior of your Workplace Shell.

This object resides in the  "System Setup" folder. You
will also find a shadow of that object in the default
"Extended Menu Options" folder so that it appears in the
"ArcaOS Desktop" submenu in each folder's pop-up

This object doesn't exist so either that or the help needs
to be fixed. The icon pictured on this page is the
XWorkplace setup icon which is installed if you go to the
full package.

I never
>knew about it (nor was I aware that I could get a
>list with Ctrl-LMB on the Desktop icon, and then select
>process for killing). I was on the beta team for lSwitcher
>for a long time, too, and thought that other than the
>widget, I knew pretty much all of it. LOL. I love finding
>stuff like this.

Obviously I never knew about the Ctrl+Alt+S and it
should probably be disabled. I did know about both the
Ctrl+LMB and Shift+LMB menus for the desktop.


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