On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 15:28:05 -0400 Lewis Rosenthal wrote:

Quick top-posted correction:

Quit is *not* a valid folder action.

Close *is* a valid folder action.

Sorry about that!

Not an issue. I have made the menu change (not the actual function changes under it). See attached screen shot.

I also see that Move has always (back to 2.60) been excluded from the popup menu. This leads me to believe it caused problems. If anyone really thinks it should be added I can do some testing. It has taken over a decade for us to notice so I don't think it is worth bothering with. Thanks

Gregg

wrote:

Hi Lewis

Hi, and sorry for lagging so far behind...

You have a lot on your plate so don't worry about this.

On 09/27/20 07:44 am, Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote:

On 20/09/27 04:15, Gregg Young wrote:

On Sun, 27 Sep 2020 01:04:42 +0200 Alfredo Fernández Díaz wrote:

On 20/09/26 23:01, Gregg Young wrote:

Of course, I see. But if the code in XCenter did the same, I mean,
if

"reduce Desktop" is checked, check if something is using it already

on

startup, and act accordingly, wouldn't it all appear to work OK? At

least no application would cause the other to fail, and it's not
like

there are many more to interfere out there. Am I missing something

else?

You have a plan for forcing the update of XWP on all systems and

preventing

the use of Warp Center which we can't fix and you know for certain

these

are the only programs that use this?

I always have a plan. Phase I is getting to know how all of this works

without looking at the code. Thanks for your help ;)

I imagine the lack of a WarpCenter object in ArcaOS kind of prevents

its use. If the people at ArcaNoae were really determined to do that

I imagine they could also prevent the SmartCenter class from being

registered in the first place in future versions. That would be an
even

safer way to be sure nothing will interfere with what's not even
there.

And I imagine those people would want as many customers as possible to

be reasonably updated. Seriously, how many people are left outside
that

lot (besides me ;)?

If you install ArcaOS and deselect ArcaOS Desktop, you get WarpCenter.

There was never any intention of removing it from the distro.

In larger environments, change implies a learning curve. We wanted

ArcaOS to be able to seamlessly replace existing Warp 4 installations

without requiring users (generally less technically savvy than we,

particularly pertaining to matters OS/2) to learn new steps to

accomplish the same tasks. You can even use the old Warp 3 toolbar (and

we have some enterprise clients who do).

I kinda thought that this was how AcraOS handle things like this.

Then it's all a matter of documenting things properly (do not do this

and that for such and such reason: just a twist on the current docs)

and wait for reports of the three people in the entire universe who

still see something break up in their systems.

:-)

But you know, I've been planning to upgrade my lSwitcher for some time

now, so don't get upset. I would say you still have years to see my

plans change. :-)

:-D

...

Almost there, see attachment. Could you move it further left to
align

with 'Idioma' above, maybe? I think we'd be done for good.

On my system if I do that I see a strange clipped box following the +

sign.

I can move 'Idioma' to the right if you like. Thanks

I'll have a look at that later. I've changed a couple of strings

to stay closer to the current English menu (lSwitcher settings ->

Properties, and help mnemonics).

[...]

-Open a WPS folder window. Bring up the PM popup, 'C' is for close,

and works; good. Open the folder again, bring up the popup menu for

the folder on the taskbar ('Move' is in there, btw): now 'Close' is
a

submenu with 'Close' and 'Quit', and 'Quit' does nothing, as I half

expected. I suppose that's meant for applications (which have

'Close',

'Quit', 'SigKill', 'DosKill'...)

I am not clear as to what you are telling me here.

Yeah, I've written better pieces. Have a look at the screenshot.

'Programs' is a WPS folder: you can make it 'Close' but not 'Quit'.

Maybe the 'Close' menu should be replaced by its first child item,

which is the only one that works in that situation.

I had to walk through your steps, but indeed, this also occurs with the

widget.

Not surprising since they both use the same code for this.

Close is not a valid action for a folder object, and should be filtered

>from the list of actions.



Close is valid and works. Quit on the other hand not so much. If close
isn't valid why is it on the folder's own menu?



Doing so, then narrows the Close > submenu to

just Close, it's "first child item" (Close > Close), making the submenu

superfluous.

Yes I think I will eliminate the submenu completely and just put the
kill choices under close on the main menu when appropriate. Quit goes
away.

It's often hard to describe some of these oddities. I think you did an

excellent job, my friend, but a visual aid (such as provided here)
would

probably have come in handy to make the initial point. :-)

So, we have a few issues:

1. Quit is not a valid action for folder objects and should be removed

>from the Close submenu;

2. An only child on a submenu is very lonely :-( ;

See plan above for 1 & 2.

3. Missing Move action for icons in the popup and their context menus

there;

I need to figure out why move was filtered on the popup. Don't think I
did that. Alfred is move on the popup menus in your prehistoric version?
It behaves much differently than the other commands in that it acts
across virtual desktops which may mess with the popup somehow.

4. Close from the popup hotkey only performs...what? Default Close, as

>from the left window manager menu?



The hotkeys work on the selected process. It sends a WM_CLOSE message to
that process.

5. Q from the context menu in the popup closes the context menu (not

a bad feature; surely harmless, but I'm not sure we documented that

anywhere);

6. Q from the popup (no context menu open) is documented as quitting,

These (5 & 6) will go away.

  but this does not seem to work, and Q has been removed from the list

  of popup hotkeys in the UI;

7. Ultimately, we are going to have to do something with the hotkey

  selections (I just re-read the documentation) - my RFE for these

  would be to make them customizable, defaulting to English, and use

  the customized key names in the popup.

The only way this can happen is if I make the popup permanently sticky.
The mnemonics don't work with the ALT or CTL key down. It is the hotkeys
that make them appear to work.

Of the above, 1, 2, 3, and 6 seem like blockers to the 2.92 release.

Documentation pertaining to 5 needs a tweak.

1, 2, 5, 6 go away with my purposed change. I will need to determine if
there is a technical reason for filtering move from the popup.

-Packaging: any particular reason why we keep old English readmes,

i.e.

readme.v*?

I always package the historic readmes on my first release. They can

probably go away now. Thanks

Thank you for all you do ^^

Ditto, that.

Thanks



Gregg



P.S. My new keyboard and mouse (Logitech MK550) just arrived. Not sure I
like the keyboard but it is nice to have a fully working mouse button 2.





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