X-UIDL: 9376 Return-Path: os2-netware_users-owner@2rosenthals.com Received: from 192.168.100.5 (hawking [192.168.100.5]) by 2rosenthals.com (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20040411222622-37812-7 ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:26:22 -0400 (Hethmon Brothers Smtpd) id 20040411222621-38879-7 ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:26:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 15198 invoked by uid 89); 12 Apr 2004 02:26:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO rfnow.com) (216.36.186.3) by mail1.no-ip.com with SMTP; 12 Apr 2004 02:26:10 -0000 Received: from rfnow.com (unverified [216.36.186.8]) by rfnow.com (SurgeMail 1.6e2) with ESMTP id 8729 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2004 21:26:17 -0500 Message-ID: <407A0C57.3020403@rfnow.com> User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.5 (OS/2/20040223) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20040411124157-58321-8@2rosenthals.com> <407992C9.2000905@rfnow.com> <4079B133.5020200@2rosenthals.com> <4079C1DA.4090905@rfnow.com> <4079FD2C.1080906@2rosenthals.com> In-Reply-To: <4079FD2C.1080906@2rosenthals.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com X-Authenticated-User: vbender Domain rfnow.com Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:26:15 -0500 Sender: os2-netware_users-owner X-Listname: os2-netware_users@2rosenthals.com Reply-To: os2-netware_users@2rosenthals.com From: Vaughn Bender To: os2-netware_users@2rosenthals.com Subject: [OS2NetWare] - Netware IP Client for OS2 X-List-Unsubscribe: Send email to os2-netware_users-request@2rosenthals.com X-List-Owner: os2-netware_users-owner@2rosenthals.com Hi Lewis Yes..agreed, native would be ideal, not sure what kind of work it would take to get a updated client, and maintain the speed that I take for granted moving files, then again, IPX is always faster than IP, but I would love to connect to multiple trees over different ip segments and manage them over the wan. And see some updated printing would be nice. So sounds like a good idea to do a poll and see what it brings in. TTL Vaughn Lewis G Rosenthal wrote: > Well, heck, it probably would work, at that. In fact, it is certainly > possible to log into NetWare from a VPC session booted to W2K and > running the latest Win32 client. However, I'm wondering if we wouldn't > lose some performance edge that way. As it stands, I have yet to see a > Windows box approach the file transfer speed I get with OS/2 over IPX, > even when the Win box is running IP (the IPX stack on NetWare has been > left rather stagnant since NPC no longer is protocol-bound to it; by > their own admission, they would like to see everyone move off of IPX, > so they have spent very little time keeping up with performance > enhancements). > > A true, 32-bit, multi-threaded OS/2 client, capable of pure-IP > connections to multiple trees with a real NDPS implementation would be > far superior IMO to an Odin-enabled Win32 package (are Odin apps even > multi-threaded? I don't think so; I think that Odin itself runs in one > thread and executes everything within that thread, instead of spawning > new ones). > > For OS/2 to survive (if this is what we call it; many prefer to call > it "existing" or "remaining on life support") in a NetWare environment > in particular, we really need something over a Windows box. Right now, > that's performance. > > On 04/11/2004 06:08 pm, Vaughn Bender thus wrote : > >> Hi Lewis >> >> You know, I hate to say it but I wonder if a win32 port of the >> client, such as we have seen eg:Openoffice, Adobe Acrobat would >> suffice. You know.... once I got NWadmin32 up and running using ODIN, >> the client was too old obviously but it did come up. It took a bit to >> pull the right files from the public and client but I got it to come >> up in eCS 1.0. I was just playing around to see if I could even do that. >> >> Vaughn >> >> Lewis G Rosenthal wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Vaughn. I think that I'll revisit this situation once I'm >>> through this week (end of tax season). The best would perhaps be to >>> set up a poll on my site and publicize it on the usual channels. >>> Once that's done, and we have at least some barometer for how many >>> licenses we could possibly sell, the next step would be get a fair >>> estimate of the cost involved in developing the client, and to >>> approach Novell with a proposal (we need at least some of the source >>> code to the existing client and perhaps a good portion of the code >>> for the Win32 client). >>> >>> Once I can get my head clear to think straight, I'll start scripting >>> the poll, and kick it around here for feedback before posting it. >>> >>> On 04/11/2004 02:47 pm, Vaughn Bender thus wrote : >>> >>>> Hi Lewis >>>> >>>> I agree about purchasing a client, it seems that, that would be the >>>> only way to get a project going for a pure IP client and maybe some >>>> support for NDPS printing. With the updated client then there is no >>>> reason why one can totally use eCS to manage a Novell server >>>> utilizing Console one...etc.. >>>> >>>> Using ProSoft as a model for costing would be I think feasable. We >>>> have MAC's in our School division and are using ProSofts Novell >>>> client. >>>> >>>> Again a number count of who would commit would be a good indication >>>> of whether to go forward or ....whatever... You can count me in >>>> >>>> Vaughn >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lewis G Rosenthal wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have no information on this. I briefy discussed the need/desire >>>>> for one at Warpstock San Francisco last October, but that was >>>>> about it. That said, if we could get enough people to commit real >>>>> $$ in terms of promises to pay licensing fees, I'm sure that the >>>>> talent exists to create an updated client. Look at the latest Mac >>>>> clients from ProSoft Engineering: far superior to any of the >>>>> previous Novell offerings, both in terms of performance and >>>>> feature set. >>>>> ___ >>>>> Lewis >>>>> ___ >>>>> Lewis G Rosenthal >>>>> Rosenthal & Rosenthal >>>>> Sent via SnapperMail >>>>> >>>>> ...... Original Message ....... >>>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:59:43 -0500 Vaughn Bender >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi >>>>>> >>>>>> I believe it is only in our minds, no actual progress or anything >>>>>> concrete? >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> Vaughn >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Tom Trippaers wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Did anyone know something about the progress of a netware ip >>>>>>> client for os/2 ?? >>>>>>> Wasn't it a topic/novelty on warpstock USA ??? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Greets >>>>>>> Tom >>>>>>> >>>>>>> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to >>>>>>> steward@2rosenthals.com with the command >>>>>>> "unsubscribe os2-netware_users" in the body >>>>>>> (omit the quotes). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For help with other commands, send a message >>>>>>> to steward@2rosenthals.com with the command >>>>>>> "help" in the body (omit the quotes). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This list is hosted by Rosenthal & Rosenthal >>>>>>> P.O. 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