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Date:  Sun, 11 Apr 2004 22:21:32 -0400
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From:  Lewis G Rosenthal <os2-netware_users@2rosenthals.com>
To:  os2-netware_users@2rosenthals.com
Subject: [OS2NetWare] - Netware IP Client for OS2

Well, heck, it probably would work, at that. In fact, it is certainly 
possible to log into NetWare from a VPC session booted to W2K and 
running the latest Win32 client. However, I'm wondering if we wouldn't 
lose some performance edge that way. As it stands, I have yet to see a 
Windows box approach the file transfer speed I get with OS/2 over IPX, 
even when the Win box is running IP (the IPX stack on NetWare has been 
left rather stagnant since NPC no longer is protocol-bound to it; by 
their own admission, they would like to see everyone move off of IPX, so 
they have spent very little time keeping up with performance enhancements).

A true, 32-bit, multi-threaded OS/2 client, capable of pure-IP 
connections to multiple trees with a real NDPS implementation would be 
far superior IMO to an Odin-enabled Win32 package (are Odin apps even 
multi-threaded? I don't think so; I think that Odin itself runs in one 
thread and executes everything within that thread, instead of spawning 
new ones).

For OS/2 to survive (if this is what we call it; many prefer to call it 
"existing" or "remaining on life support") in a NetWare environment in 
particular, we really need something over a Windows box. Right now, 
that's performance.

On 04/11/2004 06:08 pm, Vaughn Bender thus wrote :

> Hi Lewis
>
> You know, I hate to say it but I wonder if a win32 port of the client, 
> such as we have seen  eg:Openoffice, Adobe Acrobat would suffice. You 
> know.... once I got NWadmin32 up and running using ODIN, the client 
> was too old obviously but it did come up. It took a bit to pull the 
> right files from the public and client but I got it to come up in eCS 
> 1.0. I was just playing around to see if I could even do that.
>
> Vaughn
>
> Lewis G Rosenthal wrote:
>
>> Thanks, Vaughn. I think that I'll revisit this situation once I'm 
>> through this week (end of tax season). The best would perhaps be to 
>> set up a poll on my site and publicize it on the usual channels. Once 
>> that's done, and we have at least some barometer for how many 
>> licenses we could possibly sell, the next step would be get a fair 
>> estimate of the cost involved in developing the client, and to 
>> approach Novell with a proposal (we need at least some of the source 
>> code to the existing client and perhaps a good portion of the code 
>> for the Win32 client).
>>
>> Once I can get my head clear to think straight, I'll start scripting 
>> the poll, and kick it around here for feedback before posting it.
>>
>> On 04/11/2004 02:47 pm, Vaughn Bender thus wrote :
>>
>>> Hi Lewis
>>>
>>> I agree about purchasing a client, it seems that, that would be the 
>>> only way to get a project going for a pure IP client and maybe some 
>>> support for NDPS printing. With the updated client then there is no 
>>> reason why one can totally use eCS to manage a Novell server 
>>> utilizing Console one...etc..
>>>
>>> Using ProSoft as a model for costing would be I think feasable. We 
>>> have MAC's in our School division and are using ProSofts Novell client.
>>>
>>> Again a number count of who would commit would be a good indication 
>>> of whether to go forward or ....whatever... You can count me in
>>>
>>> Vaughn
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Lewis G Rosenthal wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have no information on this. I briefy discussed the need/desire 
>>>> for one at Warpstock San Francisco last October, but that was about 
>>>> it. That said, if we could get enough people to commit real $$ in 
>>>> terms of promises to pay licensing fees, I'm sure that the talent 
>>>> exists to create an updated client. Look at the latest Mac clients 
>>>> from ProSoft Engineering: far superior to any of the previous 
>>>> Novell offerings, both in terms of performance and feature set.
>>>> ___
>>>> Lewis
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>>>> Lewis G Rosenthal
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>>>> ...... Original Message .......
>>>> On Tue, 06 Apr 2004 18:59:43 -0500 Vaughn Bender 
>>>> <vbender@rfnow.com> wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> I believe it is only in our minds, no actual progress or anything 
>>>>> concrete?
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Vaughn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom Trippaers wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  
>>>>>
>>>>>> Did anyone know something about the progress of a netware ip 
>>>>>> client for os/2 ??
>>>>>> Wasn't it a topic/novelty on warpstock USA ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greets
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
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