From: "Rick R." Received: from mxout3.mailhop.org ([63.208.196.167] verified) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.9) with ESMTP id 344746 for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:58:06 -0400 Received: from mxin2.mailhop.org ([63.208.196.176]) by mxout3.mailhop.org with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GMHjM-0004b9-5A for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:19:45 -0400 Received: from web60613.mail.yahoo.com ([209.73.178.196]) by mxin2.mailhop.org with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1GMHjL-0002kc-Ie for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 10 Sep 2006 01:19:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 46082 invoked by uid 60001); 10 Sep 2006 05:19:32 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=L9pFlMf7speTJP8PEeWv0gTU6MtARt1NhtjVyrpbSRVL4x3P+NuJFBVW/RgK5ostMh5F8ibksreLkpXnU+bgQoatsHnkfzmaSdMabwnFr4sE8SMSZB/wHQjdhZaeomFOqg9ugM/05Lc/fqJzwx7x9/9z+1T6vZ1Z3b9Hi1Smypg= ; Message-ID: <20060910051932.46080.qmail@web60613.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.252.246.35] by web60613.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 09 Sep 2006 22:19:32 PDT Date: Sat, 9 Sep 2006 22:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [OS2Wireless]Re: OT Bluetooth To: OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1204280669-1157865572=:42446" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mail-Handler: MailHop by DynDNS X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) --0-1204280669-1157865572=:42446 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The ease of hacking into the BT stacks of phones has already been proven in scientific experiments sponsored by major Universities. The BT stack vulnerabillity is a scientific fact, not a matter of debate or speculation. Lewis G Rosenthal wrote: On 09/08/06 06:47 am, Dave Saville thus wrote : > On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Rick R. wrote: > > >> At least on my PDA and my GPS device. >> > > That was why I was asking really - I am looking at a new GPS which has USB & > BT. However the USB is very restricted, but people have found that BT > connectivity gets you into the GPS file system. > > Configured correctly, BT is quite "private" (though not encrypted). Devices must be "paired" to each other, and it is up to the user to tell a device to make its presence known to other devices. The original BT devices didn't have much flexibility in the realm of privacy, and were indeed quite chatty. Nowadays, though, these limitations have been somewhat overcome. I don't worry that people will be hacking into my Sony Ericsson P910i phone, just because I leave the BT on. And insofar as power consumption is concerned, this depends greatly upon the BT device itself. My phone is rather stingy on power when the BT is enabled, and I find that my battery takes a bigger hit from letting my email app "idle" (not even checking for mail every so often, but just running in the background!) than from leaving my BT enabled. In short, for PANs (Personal Area Networks), Bluetooth is just great. For headsets, headphones, and file transfers between PDAs, BT excels far beyond 802.11 in ease of use and compatibility (try sending data from your sound card via 802.11...huh????) :-) The right (sized) tool for the right (sized) job! Anyway, we still need a working stack, and for that, I would probably lean toward a port of BlueZ: http://www.bluez.org/ . IBM has its own *nix BT stack, called BlueDrekar, but this is not OpenSource AFAIK. I have no idea what it would take to port BlueZ to OS/2, but as it's the most popular *nix BT stack, I figure that's the best place to start (unless we start from scratch). -- Lewis ------------------------------------------------------------ Lewis G Rosenthal, CNA, CLP, CLE Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC Accountants / Network Consultants New York / Northern Virginia www.2rosenthals.com eComStation Consultants www.ecomstation.com Novell Users Int'l www.novell.com/openenterpriseserver Need a managed Wi-Fi hotspot? www.hautspot.com ------------------------------------------------------------ =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to: To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to Send administrative queries to To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to: and reply to the confirmation email. 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The ease of hacking into the BT stacks of phones has already been proven in scientific experiments sponsored by major Universities.
The BT stack vulnerabillity is a scientific fact, not a matter of debate or speculation.

Lewis G Rosenthal <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote:
On 09/08/06 06:47 am, Dave Saville thus wrote :
> On Fri, 8 Sep 2006 01:57:37 -0700 (PDT), Rick R. wrote:
>
>
>> At least on my PDA and my GPS device.
>>
>
> That was why I was asking really - I am looking at a new GPS which has USB &
> BT. However the USB is very restricted, but people have found that BT
> connectivity gets you into the GPS file system.
>
>
Configured correctly, BT is quite "private" (though not encrypted).
Devices must be "paired" to each other, and it is up to the user to tell
a device to make its presence known to other devices. The original BT
devices didn't have much flexibility in the realm of privacy, and were
indeed quite chatty. Nowadays, though, these limitations have been
somewhat overcome. I don't worry that people will be hacking into my
Sony Ericsson P910i phone, just because I leave the BT on. And insofar
as power consumption is concerned, this depends greatly upon the BT
device itself. My phone is rather stingy on power when the BT is
enabled, and I find that my battery takes a bigger hit from letting my
email app "idle" (not even checking for mail every so often, but just
running in the background!) than from leaving my BT enabled.

In short, for PANs (Personal Area Networks), Bluetooth is just great.
For headsets, headphones, and file transfers between PDAs, BT excels far
beyond 802.11 in ease of use and compatibility (try sending data from
your sound card via 802.11...huh????) :-) The right (sized) tool for
the right (sized) job!

Anyway, we still need a working stack, and for that, I would probably
lean toward a port of BlueZ: http://www.bluez.org/ . IBM has its own
*nix BT stack, called BlueDrekar, but this is not OpenSource AFAIK. I
have no idea what it would take to port BlueZ to OS/2, but as it's the
most popular *nix BT stack, I figure that's the best place to start
(unless we start from scratch).

--
Lewis
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Lewis G Rosenthal, CNA, CLP, CLE
Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC
Accountants / Network Consultants
New York / Northern Virginia www.2rosenthals.com
eComStation Consultants www.ecomstation.com
Novell Users Int'l www.novell.com/openenterpriseserver
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