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Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 17:59:41 -0600
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madodel wrote:
> On 09/30/06 Rick R. wrote:
>> And if John Dvorak of PCMag (who had already declared OS/2 dead 5 
>> minutes after Lou Gerster wrote that infamous memo) has any perception 
>> problems in Ontario/Canada, then tell him to meet me in Ontario, CA or 
>> any other part of southern California, and I'll show him how I 
>> administer a multi-million $ project on my OS/2 box.
>>  
>> I just calculated some figures in my head and it turned out that the 
>> expense tab alone for me would be ~$2000.-- to take of from here and 
>> go "up there".
>> And that does not include loss in pay or the medical costs for the 
>> heart attack the project manager is going to have if his main tech man 
>> decides to go AWOL on him.
>>  
>> Since I am in a hotel here, I wouldn't even know what to do with all 
>> my stuff.
>> So I end up driving up there, and even if I'd buy a plane ticket I 
>> still end up paying double for hotel room and probably rental car.
>>  
>> I'd rather spend that $$$ on new equipment.
>>  
>> Not to mention the pesky detail that many of my foreign co-workers 
>> (yes, I did encounter an OS/2 fan from India on one of my last 
>> projects) would have a hard time getting a visa for Canada nowadays.
>>  
>> You choose that far away place, so now don't bitch if attendance turns 
>> out to be low.
>> I hope it won't, but if it does then its certainly not our fault! 
> 
> Actually Stan nor I had any say in this year's location.  But I at least 
> thought it was actually a good idea to have it in Canada for several 
> reasons (cost is less there, Europeans are more likely to attend a 
> non-US event(security nonsense and politics), and we have never had an 
> event in that area). Unfortunately travel has been made extremely 
> expensive and pretty inconvenient as well so all those reasons are less 
> relevant today they they were a year ago.  So perhaps the days for any 
> conventions that can't draw almost entirely local attendance are numbered.
> 
> But I think you miss the point entirely.  If you can't make it so be it. 
> Stan's issue is really with people who want the entire event provided to 
> them without attending.  There is no financial support for such an 
> endeavor.  Warpstock has always provided the event materials online 
> after the event was over.  But even so Warpstock doesn't need charity, 
> it needs people to attend.  That is why it is held in different areas of 
> North America every year to give people a chance to attend.  The easiest 
> way to make sure that Warpstock is located convenient to you is to put 
> in a bid for 2007.  Without any bids the whole issue is moot.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
This is getting fairly off-topic here but I don't think Lewis will 
mind much :-)
There seems to be a lot of confusion on how a site is determined.
Mark mentioned "bid".  Check out:
http://www2.warpstock.org/about/bid_proposal.html
 From the bids submitted the Board makes a selection.  If there is no 
bid submitted for New York, California, or Hawaii then it obviously 
can't be selected.
Andy