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???: Maurice GUERON <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> ?? ???? ????????? ???: os2-wireless_users-owner <os2-wireless_users-owner@2rosenthals.com> ??: [OS2Wireless] Re: OS/2 Wireless Users Digest ??: Wed, 9 Feb 2005 10:38:36 -0600 ??: os2-wireless_users-digest <os2-wireless_users-digest@2rosenthals.com>

It seems to me that anyone reading this exchange and considering
going to OS/2 should conclude that it would be sheer madness to
touch OS/2 with a 10 ft pole! And I'm afraid he/she would be right!
Repeating myself, the wireless situation is a disgrace. Is it not
time for us to put our head to the problem and/or our hand to our purse?
At least we have this Group for a start!
mg

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> **************************************************
>
> OS/2 Wireless Users Digest  Volume 1  Issue 27
> Digest Date  Tuesday 08 February 2005
>
> **************************************************
>
> Today's Subjects ---
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Robert Henschel
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Dave Saville
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Massimo @ eCS.it
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Neil Waldhauer
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : R.  Geoffrey Newbury
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Kris Steenhaut
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Kris Steenhaut
>  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g : Kris Steenhaut
>
> This is a mailing list for people interested in using 802.11x wireless
> technology
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> Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:28:41 +0100
> From:  Robert Henschel <os2info@gmx.net>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
> Massimo @ eCS.it wrote:
> > Robert Lalla wrote:
> >
> >> No there isn't any.
> >
> >
> > :-(
> > 802.11b is so slow and obsolete to be quite useless nowadays...
> The situation is really different in Germany. 11B is fast here and also
> useful. I own an ARtem 11b card and have no problem connecting with it
> to any kind of network.
> In fact, as Lewis explained to me in Denver, all the clients of an AP
> switch from the "fast" 11G to the "slow" 11B as soon as there is ONE 11B
> client in the network!
> There are milions of Centrino laptops out there that were all 11b until
> a year or so ago. So the chance to be on a network with only 11G clients
> is close to zero. (at least in public places, not talking about your
> home network!)
>
> The only problem I see is the availability of 11B cards. However, there
> are ways to purchase them.
>
> Regards,
>
> Robert
>
> --
> Robert Henschel
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> Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:41:39 +0000 (GMT)
> From:  "Dave Saville" <dave@deezee.org>
> Reply-To:  "Dave Saville" <dave@deezee.org>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 08:28:41 +0100, Robert Henschel wrote:
>
> >> 802.11b is so slow and obsolete to be quite useless nowadays...
> >The situation is really different in Germany. 11B is fast here and also
> >useful. I own an ARtem 11b card and have no problem connecting with it
> >to any kind of network.
>
> I have a source for ARtem 11b in the UK - but they are around fifty
> pounds.
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> Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:26:58 +0100
> From:  "Massimo @ eCS.it" <massimo@ecomstation.it>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
> Robert Henschel wrote:
>  >
> > The only problem I see is the availability of 11B cards. However,
> there
> > are ways to purchase them.
>
> In just few months that hardware will become (commecialy) obsolete, so
> there will
> be no way to buy them...
>
> And of course i can't suggest to a Customer to buy 11B when there's much
> newer
> technology around, simply because, you should know, a Customer want
> always the
> latest and the best around in the market...
>
> Bye.
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> Date:  Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:16:46 -0800
> From:  "Neil Waldhauer" <neil@blondeguy.com>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
> On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:26:58 +0100, "Massimo @ eCS.it"
> <massimo@ecomstation.it>
> wrote:
>
> > In just few months that hardware will become (commecialy) obsolete, so
> there will
> > be no way to buy them...
>
> Actually, the people who market PC hardware stopped pushing 802.11b two
> years
> ago. But the stuff will still be available new in box for a few more
> years. I
> just saw a copy of OS/2 2.11 new in box...
>
> >
> > And of course i can't suggest to a Customer to buy 11B when there's
> much newer
> > technology around, simply because, you should know, a Customer want
> always the
> > latest and the best around in the market...
>
> That isn't quite true, either, or no one would buy any PC. Compared to a
> new
> Apple, the latest PC looks like an antique. I assure you people still
> buy PCs,
> even if they are a couple of years behind.
>
> What is hard is to make a complete, coherent OS/2 story. There always
> seems to
> be something missing or not quite there. 802.11 wireless is nowhere
> close to
> the weak point for OS/2. The point is to pay close attention to the
> customer,
> and to find what is essential.
>
> Right now, it's amazing we have even this much OS/2 support. Worrying
> about not
> having 802.11g support, when it's coming anyway, seems like a waste of
> time.
> Better to concentrate on the things we can change.
>
> Neil
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> My doctor told me I was schizophrenic. I told him he had the wrong guy.
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> Date:  Tue, 08 Feb 05 15:32:39 -0500
> From:  "R. Geoffrey Newbury" <newbury@mandamus.org>
> Reply-To:  "R.  Geoffrey Newbury" <newbury@mandamus.org>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
> Hello, All
>
> I'm new to this list, (but not to OS/2). I'm thinking of purchasing a
> wireless card so I can make use of the wireless capabilities of the
> Linksys 54G router I recently bought.
>
> This subject is *quite* confusing. This list is good, but it only
> archives
> the messages and does not filter nor synthesize the results of all of
> your
> testing and playing around.
>
> So given that what is presently available is about to drop into the
> remainder bins, here is the question:
> What is the easiest (and cheapest) combination of hardware and software
> which I can get, today and is there any prospect that a 11g combination
> is
> likely to appear?
>
> I'm running Warp 4, FP15, DD2, upgrades to WR8425/IP8532/UN0980 and
> LanServer on an IBM Thinkpad 600E (triple booted with Mepis Linux (a
> Debian based distro) and (gak!) Win98 (which I have to use
> occasionally)).
> Note that this is the top of the TCPIP 4.0 range for OS/2. Presently
> this
> machine is using a Xircom Cardbus RBE-100 PCMCIA card for its
> NIC...Hoping
> to just plug in a wireless replacement.
>
> (One of these days, when I get a 'round tu-it' I'm going to try the
> upgrade to TCPIP4.1 which may, or may not, break the Lanserver side of
> things...It *appears* that I may be able to upgrade some of the TCPIP
> utilities manually so that things work. If it turned out that I could
> only
> get a wireless driver to work with a 32 bit TCPIP, then I probably could
> stop using server on the Thinkpad....I would revert to using Requester
> against the desktop and back-room server....so compatibility is a small
> issue).
>
> I have not bought, nor am I likely to buy Software Choice or
> eCS...although a recent UDF.IFS would be nice I really do think that my
> PVR will be Linux based...
>
> SO? What is the easiest route using a PCMCIA card?
>  1) Buy an Artem card and use it's driver? (Does that have a Linux
> and Win driver?
>  2) Find one of the magic Cisco 350 cards...and then where do I
> find the OS/2 driver which will work with it...? Links anyone?
>  3) Find a someothercard with a Prism?/Orinoco chipset?
>  4) Does it change things if I decide to get a Thinkpad T40 or
> X30...what exactly are the distinguishing markers between the different
> min-PCI cards and where do I find drivers for them?
>  5) Is anyone trying to make an OS/2 version of ndiswrapper? Should
> I wait for a .11g card and driver combo?
>
> Answers/pointers need not be long...just some thoughts please.
>
> Geoff
>
> On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 11:16:46 -0800, Neil Waldhauer wrote:
>
> >What is hard is to make a complete, coherent OS/2 story. There always
> seems to
> >be something missing or not quite there. 802.11 wireless is nowhere
> close to
> >the weak point for OS/2. The point is to pay close attention to the
> customer,
> >and to find what is essential.
> >
> >Right now, it's amazing we have even this much OS/2 support. Worrying
> about not
> >having 802.11g support, when it's coming anyway, seems like a waste of
> time.
> >Better to concentrate on the things we can change.
>
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> Date:  Wed, 09 Feb 2005 02:38:25 +0100
> From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut@hccnet.nl>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
>
>
> Massimo @ eCS.it schreef:
>
> >
> > In just few months that hardware will become (commecialy) obsolete, so
> > there will
> > be no way to buy them...
> >
> Indeed. Actually, it is already now quasi impossible.
>
> > And of course i can't suggest to a Customer to buy 11B when there's
> > much newer
> > technology around, simply because, you should know, a Customer want
> > always the
> > latest and the best around in the market...
> >
> Right. That's why I wonder what's the aim is in keeping  top secret
> genprism*  ...
>
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>
>    Kris
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> Date:  Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:06:24 +0100
> From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut@hccnet.nl>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
>
>
> Neil Waldhauer schreef:
>
> >On Tue, 08 Feb 2005 19:26:58 +0100, "Massimo @ eCS.it"
> <massimo@ecomstation.it>
> >wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>In just few months that hardware will become (commecialy) obsolete, so
> there will
> >>be no way to buy them...
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Actually, the people who market PC hardware stopped pushing 802.11b two
> years
> >ago. But the stuff will still be available new in box for a few more
> years. I
> >just saw a copy of OS/2 2.11 new in box...
> >
> >
> >
> I'm afraid that (rather weird imho) experience is of no use at all in
> Italy, nor in Europe for that matter.
> Bottom line, what is valid in your specific situation could as well be
> invalid and counter productive in an other firm.
> Me thinks each owner  has to decide himself while taking into account
> his specific situation.
>
> >That isn't quite true, either, or no one would buy any PC. Compared to
> a new
> >Apple, the latest PC looks like an antique. I assure you people still
> buy PCs,
> >even if they are a couple of years behind.
> >
> >
> >
> ... maybe in the States poverty is already that far ... OTOH, I can
> assure you resellers even can't get rid of 6 months old computers here.
> That's the reason too why there are almost no stocks af anything
> anymore. Meaning, when something goes South in general there aren't much
> other options than to purchase an entire new set.
>
> >Right now, it's amazing we have even this much OS/2 support. Worrying
> about not
> >having 802.11g support,
> >
> Dunno about the States, but here we can't even get a wired connection at
> school, universities etc... anymore. If you can't present yourself in
> wireless mode, you better prepare yourself to go to hell.
>
> > when it's coming anyway
> >
> >
> Is it?
>
> Can I remind you even the 11b generic still is restricted to the closed
> circle of the happy few? And that one is already close the 1.5 years of
> age.
>
> I really would like to see it's "coming", but something that is circling
> in secretiveness in closed circles, I really can't see something like
> that as "coming".
>
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
>
>    Kris
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> Date:  Wed, 09 Feb 2005 03:20:32 +0100
> From:  Kris Steenhaut <kris.steenhaut@hccnet.nl>
> Subject:  Re: [OS2Wireless] 802.11g
>
>
>
> R. Geoffrey Newbury schreef:
>
> >Hello, All
> >
> >I'm new to this list, (but not to OS/2). I'm thinking of purchasing a
> >wireless card so I can make use of the wireless capabilities of the
> >Linksys 54G router I recently bought.
> >
> >
> >
> Hope for you the device has 11b + 11g capacity...
>
> >What is the easiest (and cheapest) combination of hardware and software
> >which I can get, today and is there any prospect that a 11g combination
> is
> >likely to appear?
> >
> >
> >
> Easy to answer: there is none of 11g driver available, so it is a nono.
> Some people say it's coming, but that could be a long wait or even a wit
> for ever ... who knows.
>
> >machine is using a Xircom Cardbus RBE-100 PCMCIA card for its
> NIC...Hoping
> >to just plug in a wireless replacement.
> >
> >
> >
> At present, the only option is to purchase a second hand 11b card
> (assuming your router does 11b).
>
> >I have not bought, nor am I likely to buy Software Choice or
> >eCS...although a recent UDF.IFS would be nice I really do think that my
> >PVR will be Linux based...
> >
> >
> >
> Wouldn't give you 11g anyway.
>
> >SO? What is the easiest route using a PCMCIA card?
> > 1) Buy an Artem card and use it's driver? (Does that have a Linux
> >and Win driver?
> >
> >
> Yes, yes and yes ... and almost the only option (probable second hand)
> there is. Mensys is still listing them:
>
http://shop.mensys.nl/cgi-bin/db2www/mnl_art2.d2w/report?catname=WirelessPCCard&username=&i1=&o=&x=03:14:03&Search=JACARANDA&C=400
>
> but it would surprise me if they would have a single card in stock.
>
> > 2) Find one of the magic Cisco 350 cards...and then where do I
> >find the OS/2 driver which will work with it...? Links anyone?
> >
> >
> Very tricky for quite a few reasons.
>
> > 3) Find a someothercard with a Prism?/Orinoco chipset?
> >
> >
> Yes.
>
> > 4) Does it change things if I decide to get a Thinkpad T40 or
> >X30...what exactly are the distinguishing markers between the different
> >min-PCI cards and where do I find drivers for them?
> >
> >
> TP 40 has an internal wirelles intel ... some say drivers are "coming",
> but that could be a long wait (if not a wait for ever).
>
> > 5) Is anyone trying to make an OS/2 version of ndiswrapper? Should
> >I wait for a .11g card and driver combo?
> >
> >
> >
> If you are  sure you'll live for eternity you sure could afford it to
> wait .. :-)
>
> --
> Groeten uit Gent,
>
>    Kris
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