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([32.97.110.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm254618qwb.6.2009.06.11.14.55.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A317D3D.7040902@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:55:09 -0600 Reply-To: abwillis1@gmail.com User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; rv:1.9.1b3pre) Gecko/20090216 SeaMonkey/2.0a3pre not(Firefox/3.2) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List Subject: Warpstock question Re: [OS2Wireless] Re: Lightning strike References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: 1.0 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name 0.9 SARE_MLH_Stock1 Subject mentions stock or stock related words Will Honea wrote: > ** Reply to message from "Jeffrey Race" on > Thu, 11 Jun 2009 21:34:54 +0700 > > > >> Further to previous msg I'd appreciate recommendations about >> coax and ethernet protective devices (clamping devices) to >> protect my equipment so not destroyed a second time >> jeffrey race >> > > This could get to be a long discussion - lightning problems pre-date > electronics by centuries and the first practical lightning arrestors were the > ones Benjamin Franklin devised in the late 1700s. First, don't even sweat the > internal wiring like coax until you REALLY solve the external threat: your > power lines. Those expose you for a radius of miles in some cases. Next, look > at the building itself. Such things as aerials, chimneys, and metal gutters - > ground those really well. You might even want to install a specific lightning > rod and grounding mesh if your area is prone to a lot of lightning. As part of > this, verify and test your internal power ground - I see too darned many of > those 3rd wire power grounds that are worse than useless. Once you have done > that, you can proceed to reduce the risks elsewhere but until you provide a > reasonable shell around the internal equipment you are really just wasting time > and money. > > When you have snubbed the environmental exposures the next step is the power > system. Virtually all the damage I've dealt with in nearly 40 years of site > installations entered the system through either the power line or external > communications lines (telephone, TV cable or antennae, etc.). While structural > strikes cause some electronic damage, you usually have bigger problems to deal > with than electronics when they hit. The most common point of entry is the ac > power line. Several companies make gas tube protectors which will shunt up to > several kilojoules. These are sturdy glass and metal tubes with a gap in an > inert gas (typically argon) which will arc to ground with a breakover voltage > of 150 volts or so. One or more of those each lead of the power line followed > by an isolation transformer is pretty much the best you can do. Those wall > socket mounted to power strip jobs are useful for small glitches but they are > really too puny to give major protection. > > As a compromise, I use a relatively small gas tube/inductor coil setup ( the > manufacturer that made mine is out of business now) followed by a hefty UPS for > the main station with smaller UPS units for the other clusters of gear. That > has served through several nearby lightning strikes (Colorado gets more than > its' share!) and a single UPS is a lot cheaper to replace than the whole > system. Note: GROUNDING IS CRITICAL!!! > > For the phone and TV lines, I put my own gas tube shunt (minus the inductors) > across the input lines and to ground from each side. I follow that with > smaller MOV type shunts at the place my equipment plugs in but I don't even try > to isolate the internal wiring. The only time I've seen problems with that was > in a metal building where the internal leads were installed near the roof or > walls and a strike would arc between the metal building and the wires. I can't > recall ever losing equipment to a direct strike on internal wiring in a wood > frame structure - it always got zapped either by proximity to some externally > connected metal part or by over powering the protection on the input leads from > outside. > > All the years of experience point to one primary target: GROUND. I can't say > it enough for that is the single most important component of any protection > scheme. If you have doubts, simply run a heavy copper lead - 8 ga. or so - > between the third wire "ground " lead and a nearby cold water pipe (assuming > metal pipes - plastic pipes are useless) every place you can. That will do as > much to protect you as most of the cheap surge suppressors on the market and > without a good ground even those are worse than useless. > > I didn't recall you were in Colorado as well... are you planning on going to Warpstock? I plan to drive down and have room in the car. Andy