From: "Stan Sidlov" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTP id 3001595 for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:47:34 -0400 Received: from secmgr-va.2rosenthals.com ([162.83.95.194] helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by secmgr-ny.randr with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1MuVBC-0005jM-Mp for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:47:34 -0400 Received: from mail-pz0-f186.google.com ([209.85.222.186]:39726) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MuVB7-0007NG-04 for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:47:25 -0400 Received: by pzk16 with SMTP id 16so3364150pzk.6 for ; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:47:23 -0700 (PDT) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.4AC8DFAD.00D5,ss=1,fgs=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:sender:received:in-reply-to :references:date:x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=kS8e4B+UVR9/OHTDnnGmeUgVg0XOyt676UZaYdRe1mg=; b=HrhZudJeBh0K21M7A0Aqr7qMN1sD1onxYMJeSHIBqxqKo9Vl1VZIy968sVeijCsXkI Oti58WvC0U6zBpgcvCf96FhyrOKMbwcOGcf3qk40oaFJL+JYHhCZXrdDxTWkq2Ep/gSy 6h8l6X2E4UjjvQIPR2/pcNgw5CyNyRgQWRyUs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date :x-google-sender-auth:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kSvzg678Tb2vCF2uBUkocrRbIM/ninpHH0SLC4WufdU/n553kJ4Pvl4bmSvHnRzutk KAdTHEKAHsdJqTdsrmu0YoJxuZJ3S13/qlW6HGJ9jPLnDgPA6GFdHp57W5x026eb3vNx 2Ue9cOh3hOwa2nqrq5geK/mdDvFGit8Mwh+oE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: sbsidlov@gmail.com Received: by 10.142.119.7 with SMTP id r7mr490794wfc.261.1254678055720; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 10:40:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2009 13:40:55 -0400 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 8bfe3a8bd0541bbe Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OS2Wireless] OT?? cell phones To: "OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0b6b7d196ab04751f7f43 X-Spam-Score: 1.9 (+) X-Spam-Report: 1.0 RCVD_BY_IP Received by mail server with no name 0.9 HTML_10_20 BODY: Message is 10% to 20% HTML --001636e0b6b7d196ab04751f7f43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There are two thngs about GSM. 1. Branded phone vs UnBranded phone: generally this is where they put the "for extra $$" into the menu of the phone and remove or lockout the standard free apps and locations that the mfgr of the phone created. Take ATT, they put ATT Mall on every phone, buy ringtones in the select ringtone submenu, for pay services on the photo menu, for pay servies on the video menus, etc etc. If you UNBRAND the phone, your phone returns to the base configuration of the mfgr which may be more convenient. On my SE phone, debranding meant I got A-GPS and Google Maps which ATT had locked out, and the abilty to turn off the 3G only function of the phone which they had locked in. additonally, the bothersome, 'this app wants to connect to the internet' message could be adjusted for each app. 2. Unlocking refers to choice of carrier. Your phone is set to respond to a particular carrier and sim. Your sim is locked to a carrier for the phone to work, they must match. Changing that carrier can be done several ways. You can pay to get the unlock code from a third party or you can get ATT or your new phone company to unlock it for you. If you are going to switch to T-Mobil, their customer service support people should be able to give you the unlock code for your phone, since they want you to be their customer. If it's because you are traveling over seas, and you want to use a new sim temporarily, then its to your benefit to use a 3rd party (or ask ATT if they will give you the unlock code) so that you can put another SIM in. 3. My surmise on the site's device. You put in T-Mobil's sim, and the slim card on the back of that, fools the iPhone's firmware into thinking it's a ATT sim, but since your IMEI for the phone and the sim's serial are on T-Mobil's network and not ATT's it works as if the phone is unlocked/jailbroken. On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Ray Davison < os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote: > Hey, it is wireless, and I couldn't find any place else to take the > question. > > When a cell phone is locked to a carrier, what is locked, the phone or the > SIM. I always thought it was the phone because they are sold as locked or > unlocked. If so, then what is this? > > http://www.b2cshop24.com/en/turbo-sim-unlock-card-for-gsm-cell-mobile-no-need-to-cut.html > > I have several Motorola, GSM that I want to unlock from AT&T. I own them. > And I have extra SIMs. Is AT&T required to unlock them if I request? > > Ray > > --001636e0b6b7d196ab04751f7f43 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There are two thngs about GSM.

1. Branded phone vs UnBra= nded phone: =A0generally=A0this is where they put the "for extra $$&qu= ot; into the menu of the phone and remove or lockout the standard free apps= and locations that the mfgr of the phone created. =A0Take ATT, they put AT= T Mall on every phone, buy ringtones in the select ringtone submenu, for pa= y services on the photo menu, for pay servies on the video menus, etc etc. = If you UNBRAND the phone, your phone returns to the base configuration of t= he mfgr which may be more convenient. =A0On my SE phone, debranding meant I= got A-GPS and Google Maps which ATT had locked out, and the abilty to turn= off the 3G only function of the phone which they had locked in. additonall= y, the bothersome, 'this app wants to connect to the internet' mess= age could be adjusted for each app.

2. Unlocking refers to choice of carrier. Your phone is= set to respond to a particular carrier and sim. Your sim is locked to a ca= rrier for the phone to work, they must match. Changing that carrier can be = done several ways. You can pay to get the unlock code from a third party or= you can get ATT or your new phone company to unlock it for you. =A0If you = are going to switch to T-Mobil, their customer service support people shoul= d be able to give you the unlock code for your phone, since they want you t= o be their customer. =A0If it's because you are traveling over seas, an= d you want to use a new sim temporarily, then its to your benefit to use a = 3rd party (or ask ATT if they will give you the unlock code) so that you ca= n put another SIM in. =A0

3. My surmise on the site's device. You put in T-Mo= bil's sim, and the slim card on the back of that, fools the iPhone'= s firmware into thinking it's a ATT sim, but since your IMEI for the ph= one and the sim's serial are on T-Mobil's network and not ATT's= it works as if the phone is unlocked/jailbroken.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Ray Davison = <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote:
Hey, it is wireless, and I couldn't find any place else to take the que= stion.

When a cell phone is locked to a carrier, what is locked, the phone or the = SIM. =A0I always thought it was the phone because they are sold as locked o= r unlocked. =A0If so, then what is this?
http://www.b2cshop24.com/en/tu= rbo-sim-unlock-card-for-gsm-cell-mobile-no-need-to-cut.html

I have several Motorola, GSM that I want to unlock from AT&T. =A0I own = them. =A0And I have extra SIMs. =A0Is AT&T required to unlock them if I= request?

Ray


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