From: "chekmarx" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.16) with ESMTP id 2293055 for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:59:20 -0400 Received: from secmgr-va.2rosenthals.com ([162.83.95.194] helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by secmgr-ny.randr with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.43) id 1NupSn-0004hl-UE for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:59:19 -0400 Received: from qw-out-2122.google.com ([74.125.92.24]:48124) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NupSk-0007f9-1T for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:59:14 -0400 Received: by qw-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 5so1554281qwi.39 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020202.4BAB8852.02DB,ss=1,fgs=0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=MYdbtF3MXdzU+daC6QWUX4BElgsfa188eVtsyHDvYYg=; b=RmLo2+deZSQGOIPkh2sQ3oJ1lQNAL6cKH1Y6SRQMeHhElMpt/QT6tl03G/LDiQP3Vt PABL3/qaAAKQswHBL53vA7BJX5oMRiPiOoR3suSY8hj1t3UfH9Csl0jfRM+6ayNO13oY mstdhpLGzxnax0DgY8F8DQcHRwuDHW8z98h38= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=tLVLikFa/9ZOTYqVQYrjz7WNPmguFYegx0MUPWRWWN83jdTz0H3DhAIttUMpk+cXuH 70cUOUVR+LvnnDT0o5jzVhTvUe7byGbUirGnHgL/LsDtCHClPtcqVVrmRN90zf63hmuw JgI2MtzXQL6asc+QOy5MYv6p0x/kI0PDxXV34= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.222.14 with SMTP id ie14mr1159448qcb.95.1269532752609; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 08:59:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 11:59:12 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [OS2Wireless] Wireless router To: "OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f579c006860482a220e8 --00163630f579c006860482a220e8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey Lewis, On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Lewis G Rosenthal < os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote: > Hi, Greg... > > On 03/25/10 02:08 am, chekmarx thus wrote : > > Just as a point of reference, touching on Lewis's lack of experience with >> DLink wireless routers: When I needed to go wireless due to the location of >> the router relative to where my system was at my nephew kindly purchased for >> me a DLink rather than LinkSys router, which is the brand I've used to great >> success in the past. Not wanting to hurt his feelings and come off as a >> jerk, something which I do enough of :-) >> >> LOL! > > Doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Full disclosure is good for the soul. > Unlike what I tell my kids, I really *don't* know everything, which was one > of the reasons I started hosting these lists in the first place (yes, the > list is free of all paid advertising support, and while I do get a decent > pickup of new clients from keeping my name "out there," over the years, I > have gleaned far more value from the information exchanged - aside from > getting my own questions answered - than I could possibly value monetarily). > Thanks to *everyone* who contributes *whatever* he or she knows and for > sharing his or her experience, for which there is truly *no* substitute. > > I'm glad to hear that the D-Link boxes have worked for you. Any particular > models you'd like to recommend? are you using the stock firmware, or have > you flashed it? It's a model DI-624 and handles both wired and wireless connections. As for flashing the firmware, my general rule of thumb is "if it's working, don't mess with it ..." I used to be a fanatic about updating firmware and BIOS updates and driver updates and whatnot. But over probably the past 5 to 7 years I've been burned too many times hosing a device when updating its firmware or drivers. Which IMO is more a sign of a denigration of the programmers handling this kind of low-level code. I think the release schedules are so rushed and they probably work too many hours so a whole lot of real messy updates get issued. Look at ASUS as an example. They used to be a top-notch supplier in my estimation but their forums (and other tech sites as well) are teeming with people pissed off about their ASUS products. > > I was a tad leery >> > George Carlin, on his AM/FM album, made reference to Dr. Timothy Leary's > brother, Really Leary... I suppose when the Doctor was a boy, he may have > been a tad Leary, too... (Sorry; too much work makes me punchy...) Good old George Carlin ... I miss his brand of playfulness with the English language. Nobody IMO did it better! > > at first since my wired LinkSys router ran flawlessly, but after setting >> up the DLink I've never had the need to touch it again. And it is on and >> operational 24/7 for going on nearly two-years now. Which IMO isn't too bad >> at all. >> >> That's a good record. I'm guessing that you have it connected to some > power conditioning or battery backup, and not raw current, and that your > broadband connection is similarly unlikely to introduce any jolts or > brownouts into the connections. > >> Sometimes I think it is *where* the router is located that cause so many >> failures - meaning people I know tend to bury them with paper and books and >> disks and so on. Not having sufficient air-flow then causes them to >> overheat and die as Lewis states. >> > Actually both devices are plugged directly into the wall outlet. When I moved here I was nearly destitute and could barely pay attention yet alone afford a decent surge protector. But that was then and this is now. Things are much better. Disability came through and while it is far from what I was earning as a System Admin it does provide to live happy, joyous, and free as long as I don't get too spend crazy. But now that you mention it I probably should buy one. Can you suggest a 4 or 6 plug unit that would directly screw into the outlet box - meaning it would replace the dual faceplate. > >> LOL! Indeed, people do strange things with these little devices. They > truly are toasters, sort of like the little old NetWare 3 server still > hiding in a closet, under a bunch of files. Nobody seems to know where drive > Q: actually "lives," because it just happens to be there all the time... > Meanwhile, the 486 server is running with only the power supply fan cooling > it off, and dust blocking all the air ducts. By a stroke of luck, nothing > has bumped the front panel to turn it off (assuming the power switch even > works anymore)... Little routers are indeed following that same path in so > many places. I love the blank look I get when walking into a new office for > the first time and asking where the Wi-Fi originates. Oh I know what you mean! I cut my teeth years ago on Netware 2.x running on a 386 that was buried under a workbench in the shop of a communications company I worked at. First thing I did was down the network, pull the box and open it up. The dirt and dust buildup was totally unreal! I don't think today's gear would last in that kind of environment. Everything is designed and engineered to such a close set of specs to save money but are IMO more sensitive in general. I remember my first major mod I did on my personal computer I had at the time, a Kaypro PC using a NEC V30 CPU. I tore out the guts and added a Happauge 386-16 along with a 387 math co-processor and DRAM expansion card for running Autocad, taking the stock RAM setup from 1-meg to 4-megs, the card populated with all DIPS. Set me back something like $2500 just for the MB, RAM and card, and a Video-7 VGA video card. Remember those Video-7's? They were something else. Their VRAM-16 full-length card was unbelievably fast. Of course, that was back when buying a video card for CAD that had a dedicated GPU cost anywhere from a grand on up, depending on whether it required a separate EGA or VGA card for DOS mode or if it had a unit stacked directly onto the CAD card itself. Ahhh ... Those were the days. Sometimes I miss it, but then I remember what it was like when I "retired" and how the whole shooting match became all about constantly updating hardware and software due to licensing requirements from Microsoft (I ended my career working for a very old top law firm here in Pittsburgh. The managing partners theory was since they were paying a high six-figures for Windows' for all workstation, then damnit, they wanted the latest and greatest version of Windows installed on all desktop user's systems) and performance metrics. When I started out it was all about taking care of the end-users and slowly over time it drifted into being a separate IT entity, where IT more-or-less dictated how things were to be. I hated having to tell 1000's of touch-typist legal secretaries who cut their teeth on either WordStar or WordPerfect that they had to start using MS Word and all that entailed. It was brutal! > > Just wanted to toss this out there ... >> >> Thanks! > Thank you. I *always* learn something new from your posts. I can tell you're an old dog like me, well, as far as systems go any way :-) > > > > > -- > Lewis > ------------------------------------------------------------- > Lewis G Rosenthal, CNA, CLP, CLE > Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC www.2rosenthals.com > Need a managed Wi-Fi hotspot? www.hautspot.com > visit my IT blog www.2rosenthals.net/wordpress > ------------------------------------------------------------- > --00163630f579c006860482a220e8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hey Lewis,

On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:40 = AM, Lewis G Rosenthal <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> wr= ote:
Hi, Greg...

On 03/25/10 02:08 am, chekmarx thus wrote :

Just as a point of reference, touching on Lewis's lack of experience wi= th DLink wireless routers: =A0When I needed to go wireless due to the locat= ion of the router relative to where my system was at my nephew kindly purch= ased for me a DLink rather than LinkSys router, which is the brand I've= used to great success in the past. =A0Not wanting to hurt his feelings and= come off as a jerk, something which I do enough of :-)

LOL!

Doesn't hurt my feelings at all. Full disclosure is good for the soul. = Unlike what I tell my kids, I really *don't* know everything, which was= one of the reasons I started hosting these lists in the first place (yes, = the list is free of all paid advertising support, and while I do get a dece= nt pickup of new clients from keeping my name "out there," over t= he years, I have gleaned far more value from the information exchanged - as= ide from getting my own questions answered - than I could possibly value mo= netarily). Thanks to *everyone* who contributes *whatever* he or she knows = and for sharing his or her experience, for which there is truly *no* substi= tute.

I'm glad to hear that the D-Link boxes have worked for you. Any particu= lar models you'd like to recommend? are you using the stock firmware, o= r have you flashed it?

It's a model DI-624 and han= dles both wired and wireless connections.=A0 As for flashing the firmware, = my general rule of thumb is "if it's working, don't mess with = it ..."=A0 I used to be a fanatic about updating firmware and BIOS upd= ates and driver updates and whatnot.=A0 But over probably the past 5 to 7 y= ears I've been burned too many times hosing a device when updating its = firmware or drivers.=A0 Which IMO is more a sign of a denigration of the pr= ogrammers handling this kind of low-level code.=A0 I think the release sche= dules are so rushed and they probably work too many hours so a whole lot of= real messy updates get issued.=A0 Look at ASUS as an example.=A0 They used= to be a top-notch supplier in my estimation but their forums (and other te= ch sites as well) are teeming with people pissed off about their ASUS produ= cts.
=A0

I was a tad leery
George Carlin, on his AM/FM album, =A0made reference to Dr. Timothy Leary&#= 39;s brother, Really Leary... I suppose when the Doctor was a boy, he may h= ave been a tad Leary, too... (Sorry; too much work makes me punchy...)

Good old George Carlin ... I miss his brand of playfulness with th= e English language.=A0 Nobody IMO did it better!
=A0

at first since my wired LinkSys router ran flawlessly, but after setting up= the DLink I've never had the need to touch it again. =A0And it is on a= nd operational 24/7 for going on nearly two-years now. =A0Which IMO isn'= ;t too bad at all.

That's a good record. I'm guessing that you have it connected to so= me power conditioning or battery backup, and not raw current, and that your= broadband connection is similarly unlikely to introduce any jolts or brown= outs into the connections.
Sometimes I think it is *where* the router is located that cause so many fa= ilures - meaning people I know tend to bury them with paper and books and d= isks and so on. =A0Not having sufficient air-flow then causes them to overh= eat and die as Lewis states.

Actually both devices are plugged direct= ly into the wall outlet.=A0 When I moved here I was nearly destitute and co= uld barely pay attention yet alone afford a decent surge protector.=A0 But = that was then and this is now.=A0 Things are much better.=A0 Disability cam= e through and while it is far from what I was earning as a System Admin it = does provide to live happy, joyous, and free as long as I don't get too= spend crazy.

But now that you mention it I probably should buy one.=A0 Can you sugge= st a 4 or 6 plug unit that would directly screw into the outlet box - meani= ng it would replace the dual faceplate.
=A0

LOL! Indeed, people do strange things with these little devices. They truly= are toasters, sort of like the little old NetWare 3 server still hiding in= a closet, under a bunch of files. Nobody seems to know where drive Q: actu= ally "lives," because it just happens to be there all the time...= Meanwhile, the 486 server is running with only the power supply fan coolin= g it off, and dust blocking all the air ducts. By a stroke of luck, nothing= has bumped the front panel to turn it off (assuming the power switch even = works anymore)... Little routers are indeed following that same path in so = many places. I love the blank look I get when walking into a new office for= the first time and asking where the Wi-Fi originates.

Oh I know what you mean!=A0 I cut my teeth years ago on Netware 2.= x running on a 386 that was buried under a workbench in the shop of a commu= nications company I worked at.=A0 First thing I did was down the network, p= ull the box and open it up.=A0 The dirt and dust buildup was totally unreal= !=A0 I don't think today's gear would last in that kind of environm= ent.=A0 Everything is designed and engineered to such a close set of specs = to save money but are IMO more sensitive in general.=A0 I remember my first= major mod I did on my personal computer I had at the time, a Kaypro PC usi= ng a NEC V30 CPU.=A0 I tore out the guts and added a Happauge 386-16 along = with a 387 math co-processor and DRAM expansion card for running Autocad, t= aking the stock RAM setup from 1-meg to 4-megs, the card populated with all= DIPS.=A0 Set me back something like $2500 just for the MB, RAM and card, a= nd a Video-7 VGA video card.=A0 Remember those Video-7's?=A0 They were = something else.=A0 Their VRAM-16 full-length card was unbelievably fast.=A0= Of course, that was back when buying a video card for CAD that had a dedic= ated GPU cost anywhere from a grand on up, depending on whether it required= a separate EGA or VGA card for DOS mode or if it had a unit stacked direct= ly onto the CAD card itself.

Ahhh ... Those were the days.=A0 Sometimes I miss it, but then I rememb= er what it was like when I "retired" and how the whole shooting m= atch became all about constantly updating hardware and software due to lice= nsing requirements from Microsoft (I ended my career working for a very old= top law firm here in Pittsburgh.=A0 The managing partners theory was since= they were paying a high six-figures for Windows' for all workstation, = then damnit, they wanted the latest and greatest version of Windows install= ed on all desktop user's systems) and performance metrics.=A0 When I st= arted out it was all about taking care of the end-users and slowly over tim= e it drifted into being a separate IT entity, where IT more-or-less dictate= d how things were to be.=A0 I hated having to tell 1000's of touch-typi= st legal secretaries who cut their teeth on either WordStar or WordPerfect = that they had to start using MS Word and all that entailed.

It was brutal!
=A0

Just wanted to toss this out there ...

Thanks!

Thank you.=A0 I *always* learn something n= ew from your posts.=A0 I can tell you're an old dog like me, well, as f= ar as systems go any way :-)
=A0

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Lewis
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Lewis G Rosenthal, CNA, CLP, CLE
Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0www.2rosenthals.com
Need a managed Wi-Fi hotspot? =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0www.hautspot.com
visit my IT blog =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0www.2rosenthals.net/wordpress -------------------------------------------------------------

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