From: "Doug LaRue" <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com>
Received-SPF: none (secmgr-ny.randr: 12.154.55.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of attglobal.net) client-ip=12.154.55.33; envelope-from=djlarue@attglobal.net; helo=kcout03.prserv.net;
Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:38:24 -0800
To: "OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List" <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com>
Reply-To: "Doug LaRue" <djlarue@attglobal.net>
In-Reply-To: <list-1700451@2rosenthals.com>
References: <list-1700451@2rosenthals.com>
Subject: Re: [OS2Wireless] VOT (very off-topic)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <auto-000001700639@2rosenthals.com>

** Reply to message from "Leon D. Zetekoff" <os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com> on Mon, 11 Feb 2008 12:43:36 -0500

Why not just use one of the dozens of cordless pones and be done with it. Just connect the base unit up
to where you do have a connection to the twisted pair wire and keep the phone in the room without the
wiring. For about $40 you can get a kit with 2 phones so the 2nd phone has a small charging station.

I wouldn't touch putting the ~48v ac signal and voice calls over coax when it's so cheap and easy to just
use a cordless setup.

Doug

> Mark...I would NOT use coax. Most telephone cables of recent vintage should have at least two pairs in there and one is usually
> unused unless you've got a second phone line. So what I would do is check the existing wiring and use the unused pairs and then tap
> that off with a junction box somewhere. Otherwise either tie a telco cable to the coax and pull it through the wall or just drill a
> hole and run a cable.  That's my $0.02. ;-)  leon  * Mark Henigan wrote, On 2/10/2008 10:29 PM: >> Mark Henigan wrote: >> >>> A
> very off-topic question aimed at anyone on the >>> list with telco experience. >>> >>> I have a second phone line to install that
> only >>> needs to run to one room. There is already an >>> unused coaxial cable from a previous installation >>> by a cable TV
> company connecting the area of the >>> junction box to that room. The incoming phone >>> line is only a two-wire connection. Would
> the >>> impedance/capacitance/inductive load of the coax >>> be compatible with a telephone connection? I'm >>> trying to save the
> trouble of installing >>> additional premises wiring in a house that we >>> rent. Making adapters to allow modular >>> connectors
> to interface with the coax is no >>> problem for me so long as the characteristics >>> of the line would allow it. >>> >>> TIA, >>>
> >>> - Mark >>> >>> Mark Henigan >> > Ed Durrant replied: >> Phone lines are usaually 600 Ohm impedance, co-ax on the other hand >>
> is 50 or 75 Ohm. >> >> I'd try it since it's there - the worst that I would expect is that >> the volume on one or both phone units
> will be lowered and if that's >> the case you can easily disconnect the cable. Chances are it'll work >> fine. > > Hello Ed: > > I
> think I need to describe the situation a little > more clearly, given your reply and several others. > > I am talking about a
> second telephone line, not > splitting a single phone line.  The new line is > for my business number.  It runs to my home >
> because I am only in the office with a door that > bears my name one day a week.  So, I chose to have > the address listed as the
> office location but the > installed line at my home where I could have more > efficient access to it.  My wife is my assistant >
> and will be able to use the line for reception of > messages and to schedule appointments. > > The telephone company (AT? >
> although this causes ground loops in many > configurations requiring isolation transformers). > I realize the foil shielding of
> much HF coax is > not a great conductor.  However, it should be > adequate from what others (Ed and Jeffrey) have > said.  If, as
> noted by Jeffrey the cable or > connectors are of poor quality or condition, I > can always install a new connector (I have a >
> compression type installation tool.) or remove > the cable and install telephone cable in its > place.  I'd rather avoid the latter
> since the > cable enters the house of the second floor. > > So, thank you all for your suggestions and > thoughts on this rather
> confounded question! > I'll try the installation using the coax and > revert to replacing (or adding a run of phone > cable in
> parallel with) the coax if it does > not work. > > Again many thanks!  There is so much knowledge > available on this list! > > -
> Mark > > Mark Henigan > -- > > =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > This message is sent to you
> because you are subscribed to >  the mailing list . > To unsubscribe, E-mail to:  > To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to >  > To
> switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to >  > Send administrative queries to >  > To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to: >  and reply
> to the confirmation > email. > Web archives are publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com > > This list is hosted by
> Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC > P.O. Box 281, Deer Park, NY 11729-0281. Non- > electronic communications related to content >
> contained in these messages should be directed > to the above address. (CAN-SPAM Act of 2003) > >
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= > >  -- *Leon Zetekoff* Proprietor 	 *Work:* 484-335-9920
> *Mobile:* 610-223-8642 *Fax:* 484-335-9921 	*Email:* wa4zlw@arrl.net  *http://www.linkedin.com/in/leonzetekoff* 	*BackWoods
> Wireless*  505 B Main Street  Blandon, PA 19510 "Bringing Broadband Technology to Rural Areas"  See who we know in common  	Want a
> signature like this?    The following text was extracted from HTML:  Mark...I would NOT use coax. Most telephone cables of recent
> vintage should have at least two pairs in there and one is usually unused unless you've got a second phone line. So what I would do
> is check the existing wiring and use the unused pairs and then tap that off with a junction box somewhere. Otherwise either tie a
> telco cable to the coax and pull it through the wall or just drill a hole and run a cable.  That's my $0.02.  ;-)  leon  * Mark
> Henigan wrote, On 2/10/2008 10:29 PM:  Mark Henigan wrote:  A very off-topic question aimed at anyone on the list with telco
> experience.  I have a second phone line to install that only needs to run to one room. There is already an unused coaxial cable
> from a previous installation by a cable TV company connecting the area of the junction box to that room. The incoming phone line is
> only a two-wire connection. Would the impedance/capacitance/inductive load of the coax be compatible with a telephone connection?
> I'm trying to save the trouble of installing additional premises wiring in a house that we rent. Making adapters to allow modular
> connectors to interface with the coax is no problem for me so long as the characteristics of the line would allow it.  TIA,  - Mark
> Mark Henigan  Ed Durrant replied: Phone lines are usaually 600 Ohm impedance, co-ax on the other hand is 50 or 75 Ohm.  I'd try it
> since it's there - the worst that I would expect is that the volume on one or both phone units will be lowered and if that's the
> case you can easily disconnect the cable. Chances are it'll work fine.  Hello Ed:  I think I need to describe the situation a
> little more clearly, given your reply and several others.  I am talking about a second telephone line, not splitting a single phone
> line.  The new line is for my business number.  It runs to my home because I am only in the office with a door that bears my name
> one day a week.  So, I chose to have the address listed as the office location but the installed line at my home where I could have
> more efficient access to it.  My wife is my assistant and will be able to use the line for reception of messages and to schedule
> appointments.  The telephone company (AT? although this causes ground loops in many configurations requiring isolation
> transformers). I realize the foil shielding of much HF coax is not a great conductor.  However, it should be adequate from what
> others (Ed and Jeffrey) have said.  If, as noted by Jeffrey the cable or connectors are of poor quality or condition, I can always
> install a new connector (I have a compression type installation tool.) or remove the cable and install telephone cable in its
> place.  I'd rather avoid the latter since the cable enters the house of the second floor.  So, thank you all for your suggestions
> and thoughts on this rather confounded question! I'll try the installation using the coax and revert to replacing (or adding a run
> of phone cable in parallel with) the coax if it does not work.  Again many thanks!  There is so much knowledge available on this
> list!  - Mark  Mark Henigan --  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message is sent to you
> because you are subscribed to the mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to:  To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to  To switch to
> the INDEX mode, E-mail to  Send administrative queries to   To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to:  and reply to the confirmation
> email. Web archives are publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com  This list is hosted by Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC P.O.
> Box 281, Deer Park, NY 11729-0281. Non- electronic communications related to content contained in these messages should be directed
> to the above address. (CAN-SPAM Act of 2003)  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=    --  	 Leon
> Zetekoff Proprietor  	 	 	 Work: 484-335-9920 Mobile: 610-223-8642 Fax: 484-335-9921 	 Email: wa4zlw@arrl.net
> http://www.linkedin.com/in/leonzetekoff 	 BackWoods Wireless 505 B Main Street Blandon, PA 19510 "Bringing Broadband Technology to
> Rural Areas"  	See who we know in common 	Want a signature like this?  
> =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= This message is sent to you because you are subscribed to the
> mailing list . To unsubscribe, E-mail to:  To switch to the DIGEST mode, E-mail to  To switch to the INDEX mode, E-mail to  Send
> administrative queries to   To subscribe (new addresses), E-mail to:  and reply to the confirmation email. Web archives are
> publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com  This list is hosted by Rosenthal & Rosenthal, LLC P.O. Box 281, Deer Park, NY
> 11729-0281. Non- electronic communications related to content contained in these messages should be directed to the above address.
> (CAN-SPAM Act of 2003)  =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Doug