From: "Mark Henigan" Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.1.3) with ESMTP id 1702160 for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:47:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none (secmgr-ny.randr: 68.142.198.212 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of sbcglobal.net) client-ip=68.142.198.212; envelope-from=driven_zen@sbcglobal.net; helo=smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com; Received: from smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([68.142.198.212]) by secmgr-ny.randr with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1JPH0o-0003NI-9P for os2-wireless_users@2rosenthals.com; Wed, 13 Feb 2008 07:47:00 -0500 Received: (qmail 31630 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2008 12:46:43 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:Date:From:User-Agent:X-Accept-Language:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=zGmcl62HHq4HZPvWYYzJFeXHf+8J3KxAohD8saK/8iFax4bbyjDfs4KS4tA/t+Pq3ja9vjhEK4BRNDDNCWQ5Io8CUuPMJGP3S9c3TBQ1nBUc59B9Zgzl9QPHHD7P/ytX1RZTZjpXM+Fgmw6oXC1fkIITAGgwxYVFHrXUiAyS0ew= ; Received: from unknown (HELO ?192.168.1.102?) (driven_zen@sbcglobal.net@75.18.127.237 with plain) by smtp113.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Feb 2008 12:46:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Q8S1r_UVM1lTO71CiGaex04TuZhySXbKi5KqTfR2NItAEBev.cLSD12A2ic9h8X5QDIuAUxYMw-- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <47B2E6ED.2050900@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 04:47:41 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; en-US; rv:1.7.12) Gecko/20050922 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, cs MIME-Version: 1.0 To: OS/2 Wireless Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OS2Wireless] VOT (very off-topic) References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: _SUMMARY_ Carl Gehr wrote: > On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:03:10 -0800, Mark Henigan wrote: > > >>I haven't seen more than two wires per line >>in years in residential installations; and, >>that is all they gave me. > > > I don't mean to be picky or trying to disparage your analysis, but are > you looking at the number of 'cables' that were installed, or the > number of 'wires' inside the 'cable' that you see? > > I don't know about Calif., but here in Ohio, I have not seen less than > two 'cables,' each containing 'two-pair' of 'wires' in years. My > previous house, built circa 1966, had two 'cables' and my current > residence, built in 1979 has the same. Newer construction [my son's > house] built circa 1996 has three such two-pair cables. > > One 'on the cheap' construction that I've seen is where the builder put > jacks that were only for a single line, even though there were multiple > 'pairs' of wires in the box. In that case, we just changed the jacks > and the cover, connected the wires and we were off and running. Hello Carl: there is a thick cable that enters the house via conduit. They've added some sort of "user friendly" box in the access space to obfuscate. I have not opened the telco part of the box. I suspect that it would reveal two cables, each containing four wires, configured as two unshielded twisted pairs, only one of which is connected to the terminal strip. I'm not certain of the reason, but all I have seen is one cable with two active wires running into the house in homes here, the "sub"-standard, I suppose. Maybe I should take pictures of the installation in this house and post them somewhere...in my spare time. :-> I'd be interested in your analysis of the photos. BTW, the house was probably built around 1975. Thanks for your thoughts. - Mark Mark Henigan --