From: "Massimo S." Received: from [192.168.100.201] (HELO mail.2rosenthals.com) by 2rosenthals.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.10) with ESMTPS id 310041 for virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 04:06:48 -0500 Received: from [192.168.200.201] (port=41153 helo=mail2.2rosenthals.com) by mail.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1iwMpr-0004sN-1k for virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 04:07:03 -0500 Received: from mail2.quasarbbs.net ([80.86.52.115]:10162) by mail2.2rosenthals.com with esmtp (Exim 4.82_1-5b7a7c0-XX) (envelope-from ) id 1iwMky-00049X-1g for virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com; Tue, 28 Jan 2020 04:02:01 -0500 Received: from [192.168.10.199] (dtp [192.168.10.199]) by srv2 (Weasel v2.71) for ; 28 Jan 2020 10:01:57 X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A020211.5E2FF889.000C,ss=1,re=0.000,recu=0.000,reip=0.000,cl=1,cld=1,fgs=0 Reply-To: ml@ecomstation.it Subject: Re: [Virtualized eCS] Virtual box 6.0.14 r 133895, acpi shutdown with AOS 5.0.3 and virtual cpu - 2 cpu success To: Virtualized eCS Users Mailing List References: Organization: eComStation dot it Message-ID: <80ca2d41-1aed-b0ec-cc94-6de64daf98e0@ecomstation.it> Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2020 10:01:57 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (OS/2; U; Warp 4.5; it-IT; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060424 Thunderbird/1.0.8 Mnenhy/0.7.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: it-IT Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Il 28/01/2020 04:56, Doug Bissett ha scritto: > On 2020-01-27, at 23:44:00, Massimo S. wrote: >> >> >> >> Il 27/01/2020 22:40, Doug Bissett ha scritto: >>> On 2020-01-27, at 19:04:21, Massimo S. wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Il 27/01/2020 13:31, Massimo S. ha scritto: >>>>> Il 27/01/2020 12:35, Massimo S. ha scritto: >>>>>> >>> ...snip... >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Doug, >>>>>> >>>>>> i've moved to MMLEM.OS2 AN driver (1.1.3), but i'm still >>> seeing poor >>>>>> datarates 4,7-6MegaBytes/sec  laptop -> AOS 503 VM >>>>>> (the VM is hosted on a intel xeon 8 cores supermicro server) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> massimo >>>>> more tests: >>>>> virtual-nic: AMD 1core 2,5MB/sec >>>>> virtual-nic: AMD 2core 3,5MB/sec >>>>> virtual-nic: MML 2core 4,5MB/sec >>>>> with MMLEM is syrely better >>>>> but very far for a VM that has his storage on SSD >>>>> and connected with Intel Gigabit NICs >>>>> any help? >>> Well, the AMD device is 100 Mbs, while the Intel device is 1000 >>> Mbs, so you can't compare them. Since NICs work at a limited >>> speed (very much slower than any modern disk drive, even at > 1000 >>> Mbs), I don't know why you are seeing those numbers. My guess > is >>> that you do not have a good setup. >> >> we have see allmost all parameters... > > It would be easy to miss something. >>> You also need to remember to >>> mark virtual disk drives as being SSD, in the VM, or VBox will >>> insert seek delays. It doesn't matter what the real disk is. >> >> already set SSD on all VMs >> moving a 6GB file from a partition to another (all JFS) >> inside the same guest VM i get >100MegaBytes/sec (also > 120MB/sec) >> so it's not a disk datarate issue >> >>>>> thanks >>>> >>>> i've tried an old eCS2.2b guest on VMware hypervisor ESX 6.5 >>> running on >>>> the same hardware >>>> >>>> i get about 20MegaBytes/sec ftp datarates... >>>> same eCS 2.2b on vbox i get 4,5MegaBytes/sec ftp datarates... >>>> >>>> (not talking that with Vbox i can't autostart VMs at boot) >>> There is a way, but I don't remember how. I am sure it is in the > docs >>> somewhere. >> >> there is a way under linux as host >> i'm running WS2019 with i'm much more comfortable >> >> anyway i've found a way to start the 2 VMs at Win logon >> which is sufficient for me at the moment >> >> there is also a software that runs VMs as services >> but it cost 49$ >> >> https://www.coretechnologies.com/products/AlwaysUp/Install.html >> >> i've already bought the software that do live bkups... >> anyway i will mind if buy it >> >> there is also this software: >> >> https://github.com/onlyfang/VBoxVmService >> >> that's free, but it has issues (it don't work at all, sigh) > > I don't know anything about any of them. I use VMs to be able to run > various versions of software, so I can try things, when something > isn't working. At the moment, I don't have a good setup to try > running a FTP server, so I can't try that without doing another > install. it's a different kind of use, you run guests for lab purposes, for devs use, or test use i must run VMs for server use (web, email, ftpd, webmail etc..) so they must run 24 hours per day and they have to be: 1) stable and reliable 2) fast in performances more or less like on the bare metal 3) they must bkup theirself without having to be powered off point 1 and 3 we are OK now with Vbox the bad point is the number 2 and only for LAN speed >> >>>> if i find a free sw for live bkups of VMs under ESX >>>> i will go with ESX has hypervisor >>>> >>>> massimo >> >From the little that I know about ESX, it does not virtualize a >>> machine. It shares a real machine with more than one operating >>> system. If it works, use it. >> >> i still have to find how to schedule bkups >> how to add notifications >> >> i've found "GhettoVCB"* that's free runs under ESX free > hypervisor >> and do live bkups (i mean bkups without turning off the VMs) >> but i still have to find a way to schedule it >> e.g. one time per night... > > I never bothered under windows, although the Task Scheduler > should run a program, at a scheduled time. Most operating systems > have some sort of Cron program. you are a bit confused Vmware Vsphere ESX Hypervisor (free, but also the versions not free) has its own OS that runs on the bare metal and it's not Windows ( while MS Hyper-V runs on Windows core, a free version of Windows server that comes without the GUI, but has a free and very powerful offline web gui, it's name is "WAC" https://docs.microsoft.com/it-it/windows-server/manage/windows-admin-center/overview ) maybe noone knows here, but there is a Windows server free it's name is Windows server core, it has no windows gui but you can admin it with batchs, powershell and WAC >> and it uses NFS as protocol that i don't like so much >> anyway i also have a Qnap nap that use NFS >> so i could use it as storage for bkups... >> >> * https://communities.vmware.com/docs/DOC-8760 > > I don't use windows enough to worry about nightly backups. again VMware vsphere esx hypervisor don't runs on Windows it's a CD that you install on bare metal and you have a web gui to administer it you can also activate an ssh with a shell that's similar to *nix > I use > RSync under OS/2 (using the DragText scheduler). There is > DeltaCopy, that runs RSync under windows. I don't know if it would > do what you want. i use rsync under eCS to bkup application servers like mail, web server etc.. all theese kind of application servers bkups will stay also on my new Virtualized architecture, but i also want the full bkup of running VMs i don't want to have to reinstall eCS or AOS if a server die i want to simply import the VMs bkups on the server 2 and play the VMs >>> I still think you have a bad setup in VBox, but I don't have the > time >>> to try to figure it out. >> the CPU is a xeon 8cores but clocked at 2Ghz, i guess that Vbox > is very >> "clock/frequency" oriented, the much higher is the clock, the faster > are >> performances > > There are a lot of pieces that fit together, to improve performance. > A fast host definitely helps, but that isn't the only thing. yes, but compeared with MS Hyper-V or Vmware Vsphere, Vbox it seems very limited to me... >> this is my tought at the moment >> as far from my tests, MS free Hyper-V is way the faster > hypervisor >> around >> but unfortunately eCS/AOS don't run under it :( >> this one does everything, live bkups, live replica and >> comes with a number of interesting features > > AFAIK, Hyper-V only works with windows guests. absolutely not, this is a fake Hyper-V is tested, used and certified to run also a number of linux distros (redhat, ubuntu, suse etc...) old versions of HV also ran eCS2.2b, but after some update (i guess version 8 of VMs it's no more compatible) >>> there was a post, some time ago, in this mail >>> list, about how to make a modern VBox setup for OS/2 > (probably >>> eCS at the time) >> >> i'm subscribed since 3th jan 2020 :( >> >> >> massimo > > Web archives are publicly available at: http://lists.2rosenthals.com, > but it seems that a lot of content went missing, when the Arca Noae > servers crashed. I keep them for one year, then delete them. What > you need would be somewhere in the middle of the missing stuff. > > I guess I need to do the setup thing all over again, when I find the > time. anyway let's try to understand if there is something no good let's take VM1: general: type: IBM OS/2 version: eComStation advanced: shared clipboard: shared system: memory: 4096 MB boot order: CD and HDD chipset: PIIX3 point dev: PS/2 mouse extended functions: I/O APIC on processors: 2 execution cap: 100% estended features: PAE/NX: on Vt-x/AMD-V nidificate: off acceleration: default VT-x/AMD-V: on paging nidificate: off screen: all default values storage: IDE/PIIX4 use host cache I/O: yes type of storage: vmdk file ide primary master ssd: yes audio: disabled lan: my architecture need 2 NICs per VM nic 1 connection: NIC with bridge name: Intel I350 Gigabit Network COnnection advanced: type: INtel PRO/1000 MT server (82545EM) mode: permit all mac .... cable: connected nic 2 connection: NIC with bridge name: Intel I350 Gigabit Network COnnection 2 advanced: type: INtel PRO/1000 MT server (82545EM) mode: permit all mac ....... cable: connected serial ports: all disabled usb: all disabled that's all the VMs are stored on a single Kingston SSD (in the future will run on a raid1-mirroring with Samsung evo SSD) if i increase the core number of the guest VM, the lan speed (ftp datarates improves) massimo