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Subject: Re: [Virtualized eCS] To upgrade to VBox 7.1.6 or not
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I tried switching to the Intel Pro/1000 MT Desktop & IBMGU driver and I
still get the same "out of resources"results as with what I have been using
for about 3 years with the PCnet-Fast III adapter. I can casually copy
lots of stuff back and forth to a remote box if I don't do too much too
quickly, otherwise I get the "network out of resources" message. And
simple things such as just a "dir" on the remote drive will then fail ...
for a while. However if I walk away for about 10 minutes the situation
cures itself and operations to/from the remote drive work again. And then
if I copy a lot of stuff again it will run out of resources once again.
Have you tried copying say a 600,000,000 byte image file and running a md5
checksum on it for comparison? I might get two "loops' of doing that before
I have to wait 10 minutes... and resume/retry. If just doing small files
spaced out during the day, no problems.
By the way, ftp or curl etc experience the same out of resources if I do
too much too fast, but also cures itself after a significant pause.
I haven't tried those scenarios with my Ubuntu guest. That guest was only
installed as a learning experience, but I'm still not a Linux fan. If I
get a significant break on what's going on in my life I might experiment
with the Linux guest to seem if it is common problem with my Host.
Another option I might experiment with is running an image copy of my Host
as a guest of itself. I heard someplace it was possible to run another
virtualization under a virtualization. That would be to simply test if the
Vbox 7 upgrade breaks my otherwise working host. Three or so years ago I
could never get a 7.x version to install successfully.
Al
On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Neil Waldhauer <
virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote:
> On 04/14/25 12:29 am, Massimo S. wrote:
> >
> >
> > Il 14/04/2025 01:29, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:
> >> On 04/13/25 01:43 pm, Massimo S. wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Il 13/04/2025 18:01, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:
> >>>> On 04/12/25 03:29 pm, Doug Bissett wrote:
> >>>>> On 2025-04-12, at 12:00:55, Allen Heath wrote:
> >>>>>> I've been happily running as a guest under VirtualBox 6.1.40
> >>>>>> since 2022.
> >>>>>> However, it always reminds me that 7.1.6 is available, but I've be=
en
> >>>>>> reluctant to rock a well working boat. What's the advantage or
> >>>>>> disadvantage of either version under Windoze 11 host?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The only "problems" I've had since 2022 are:
> >>>>>> * shared folders sometimes show shared host file timestamps in
> >>>>>> the Guest as
> >>>>>> GMT times for a while, then magically start displaying in the loca=
l
> >>>>>> timezone. And when that happens, if I create a file on the shared
> >>>>>> folder
> >>>>>> with the guest it appears at GMT time in the guest but the host
> >>>>>> displays it
> >>>>>> correctly in local time. But restarting VirtualBox or just
> >>>>>> waiting a while
> >>>>>> the issue cures itself.
> >>>>>> * pretty good luck with the PCNet-Fast III adapter except that
> >>>>>> Net Used
> >>>>>> drives (or even a massive FTP) run out of resources after a lot
> >>>>>> of copying
> >>>>>> and then resume working again if I pause for about 10 minutes and
> >>>>>> then
> >>>>>> retry the operation.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Will an upgrade fix any of this or just cause new problems?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thanks,
> >>>>>> Al
> >>>>>
> >>>> [snip]
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm trying to install eCS 2.1 on VirtualBox 7.1.6. I have not found
> >>>> a configuration that can finish the install. My best effort so far
> >>>> got to a place where printer installation was going on, but then
> >>>> the eCS installer said "Error zip file read error". At the same
> >>>> time, VirtualBox reports a crash and can't go on.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've used this iso a lot. I don't think it's defective. The
> >>>> installer seems to run.
> >>>>
> >>>> What system chipset do you recommend? Network card?
> >>>>
> >>>> I have also tried my eCS 2.2 b2, but that also crashes during the
> >>>> installation (TRAP in DaniS506)
> >>>
> >>> hi,
> >>>
> >>> don't use danis driver on VMs they do not work
> >>>
> >>> massimo
> >> Thank you! I now have a VM where eCS installation completed. The
> >> network does not function. What eCS driver would you recommend with
> >> the Intel PRO/1000 MT adapter?
> >>
> >
> > if eCS 2.2b you can try
> >
> > IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2) (IBMGU)
> >
> > this should work, but sometimes they give issue after the boot of the
> > VM (don't ping, completely isolated, you have to reboot once again)
> >
> > MMLEM from AN are better (and faster)
> >
> > massimo
> >
> Thanks. I tried both, but neither worked until I changed the virtual
> machine to PIIX3. So both now work.
>
> These are the virtual machine settings that worked
> 4096 MB RAM
> PIIX3 chipset
> Video RAM 33 MB
> PIIX4 disk controller (using IBM1S506.ADD)
> 2 TB expanding drive
> 20 GB boot volume E: formatted JFS
> Intel PRO/1000 MT desktop (using IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2)
> (IBMGU.OS2))
> USB 2.0
>
> This finally is working the way I'd expect eCS to work.
>
> --
> Neil Waldhauer neil@blondeguy.com www.blondeguy.com
> Expert consulting for OS/2 Warp, ArcaOS and eComStation
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div>I tried switching to the Intel Pro/1000 MT Desktop &=
amp; IBMGU driver and I still get the same "out of resources"resu=
lts as with what I have been using for about 3 years with the PCnet-Fast II=
I adapter.=C2=A0 I can casually copy lots of stuff back and forth to a remo=
te box if I don't do too much too quickly, otherwise I get the "ne=
twork out of resources" message.=C2=A0 And simple things such as just =
a "dir" on the remote drive will then fail ... for a while. Howev=
er if I walk away for about 10 minutes the situation cures itself and opera=
tions to/from the remote drive work again.=C2=A0 And then if I copy a lot o=
f stuff again it will run out of resources once again.=C2=A0=C2=A0</div><di=
v dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Have you tried copying say a 600=
,000,000 byte image file and running a md5 checksum on it for comparison? I=
might get two "loops' of doing that before I have to wait 10 minu=
tes... and resume/retry.=C2=A0 If just doing small files spaced out during =
the day, no problems.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">By=
the way, ftp or curl etc experience the same out of resources if I do too =
much too fast, but also cures itself after a significant pause.</div><div d=
ir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I haven't tried those scenarios=
with my Ubuntu guest.=C2=A0 That guest was only installed as a learning ex=
perience, but I'm still not a Linux fan.=C2=A0 If I get a significant b=
reak on what's going on in my life I might experiment with the Linux gu=
est to seem if it is common problem with my Host.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><b=
r></div><div dir=3D"auto">Another option I might experiment with is running=
an image copy of my Host as a guest of itself.=C2=A0 I heard someplace it =
was possible to run another virtualization under a virtualization.=C2=A0 Th=
at would be to simply test if the Vbox 7 upgrade breaks my otherwise workin=
g host.=C2=A0 Three or so years ago I could never get a 7.x version to inst=
all successfully.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Al<br>=
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote gmail_quote_container" dir=3D"auto"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 11:01=E2=80=AFAM Neil W=
aldhauer <<a href=3D"mailto:virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com">virtu=
alized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padd=
ing-left:1ex">On 04/14/25 12:29 am, Massimo S. wrote:<br>
><br>
><br>
> Il 14/04/2025 01:29, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:<br>
>> On 04/13/25 01:43 pm, Massimo S. wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> Il 13/04/2025 18:01, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:<br>
>>>> On 04/12/25 03:29 pm, Doug Bissett wrote:<br>
>>>>> On 2025-04-12, at 12:00:55, Allen Heath wrote:<br>
>>>>>> I've been happily running as a guest under Vir=
tualBox 6.1.40 <br>
>>>>>> since 2022.<br>
>>>>>> However, it always reminds me that 7.1.6 is availa=
ble, but I've been<br>
>>>>>> reluctant to rock a well working boat.=C2=A0 What&=
#39;s the advantage or<br>
>>>>>> disadvantage of either version under Windoze 11 ho=
st?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> The only "problems" I've had since 2=
022 are:<br>
>>>>>> * shared folders sometimes show shared host file t=
imestamps in <br>
>>>>>> the Guest as<br>
>>>>>> GMT times for a while, then magically start displa=
ying in the local<br>
>>>>>> timezone. And when that happens, if I create a fil=
e on the shared <br>
>>>>>> folder<br>
>>>>>> with the guest it appears at GMT time in the guest=
but the host <br>
>>>>>> displays it<br>
>>>>>> correctly in local time.=C2=A0 But restarting Virt=
ualBox or just <br>
>>>>>> waiting a while<br>
>>>>>> the issue cures itself.<br>
>>>>>> * pretty good luck with the PCNet-Fast III adapter=
except that <br>
>>>>>> Net Used<br>
>>>>>> drives (or even a massive FTP) run out of resource=
s after a lot <br>
>>>>>> of copying<br>
>>>>>> and then resume working again if I pause for about=
10 minutes and <br>
>>>>>> then<br>
>>>>>> retry the operation.<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Will an upgrade fix any of this or just cause new =
problems?<br>
>>>>>><br>
>>>>>> Thanks,<br>
>>>>>> Al<br>
>>>>><br>
>>>> [snip]<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I'm trying to install eCS 2.1 on VirtualBox 7.1.6. I h=
ave not found <br>
>>>> a configuration that can finish the install. My best effor=
t so far <br>
>>>> got to a place where printer installation was going on, bu=
t then <br>
>>>> the eCS installer said "Error zip file read error&quo=
t;. At the same <br>
>>>> time, VirtualBox reports a crash and can't go on.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I've used this iso a lot. I don't think it's d=
efective. The <br>
>>>> installer seems to run.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> What system chipset do you recommend? Network card?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I have also tried my eCS 2.2 b2, but that also crashes dur=
ing the <br>
>>>> installation (TRAP in DaniS506)<br>
>>><br>
>>> hi,<br>
>>><br>
>>> don't use danis driver on VMs they do not work<br>
>>><br>
>>> massimo<br>
>> Thank you! I now have a VM where eCS installation completed. The <=
br>
>> network does not function. What eCS driver would you recommend wit=
h <br>
>> the Intel PRO/1000 MT adapter?<br>
>><br>
><br>
> if eCS 2.2b you can try<br>
><br>
> IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2) (IBMGU)<br>
><br>
> this should work, but sometimes they give issue after the boot of the =
<br>
> VM (don't ping, completely isolated, you have to reboot once again=
)<br>
><br>
> MMLEM from AN are better (and faster)<br>
><br>
> massimo<br>
><br>
Thanks. I tried both, but neither worked until I changed the virtual <br>
machine to PIIX3. So both now work.<br>
<br>
These are the virtual machine settings that worked<br>
4096 MB RAM<br>
PIIX3 chipset<br>
Video RAM 33 MB<br>
PIIX4 disk controller (using IBM1S506.ADD)<br>
2 TB expanding drive<br>
20 GB boot volume E: formatted JFS<br>
Intel PRO/1000 MT desktop (using IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2) <br>
(IBMGU.OS2))<br>
USB 2.0<br>
<br>
This finally is working the way I'd expect eCS to work.<br>
<br>
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