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Subject: Re: [Virtualized eCS] To upgrade to VBox 7.1.6 or not

On 2025-04-15, at 14:28:45, Allen Heath wrote:
>
>I tried switching to the Intel Pro/1000 MT Desktop & IBMGU driver and I
>still get the same "out of resources"results as with what I have been using
>for about 3 years with the PCnet-Fast III adapter.  I can casually copy
>lots of stuff back and forth to a remote box if I don't do too much too
>quickly, otherwise I get the "network out of resources" message.  And
>simple things such as just a "dir" on the remote drive will then fail ...
>for a while. However if I walk away for about 10 minutes the situation
>cures itself and operations to/from the remote drive work again.  And then
>if I copy a lot of stuff again it will run out of resources once again.
>
>Have you tried copying say a 600,000,000 byte image file and running a md5
>checksum on it for comparison? I might get two "loops' of doing that before
>I have to wait 10 minutes... and resume/retry.  If just doing small files
>spaced out during the day, no problems.

I just copied a 695MB (ZIP) file, running MD5 against it, as quickly as I could, 6 times with no problem. I think you have some other problem. Whether it is VBOX (including your settings), the nic and driver (unlikely), or win 11, I don't know.

>By the way, ftp or curl etc experience the same out of resources if I do
>too much too fast, but also cures itself after a significant pause.

This is very odd.

>I haven't tried those scenarios with my Ubuntu guest.  That guest was only
>installed as a learning experience, but I'm still not a Linux fan.  If I
>get a significant break on what's going on in my life I might experiment
>with the Linux guest to seem if it is common problem with my Host.
>
>Another option I might experiment with is running an image copy of my Host
>as a guest of itself.  I heard someplace it was possible to run another
>virtualization under a virtualization.  That would be to simply test if the
>Vbox 7 upgrade breaks my otherwise working host.  Three or so years ago I
>could never get a 7.x version to install successfully.

I wouldn't waste my time doing that. It may, or may not, work, depending on what the host machine supports. Running a windows guest is nothing, at all, like running an OS/2 guest.

>Al
>
>On Mon, Apr 14, 2025, 11:01AM Neil Waldhauer <
>virtualized_ecs_users@2rosenthals.com> wrote:
>
>> On 04/14/25 12:29 am, Massimo S. wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Il 14/04/2025 01:29, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:
>> >> On 04/13/25 01:43 pm, Massimo S. wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Il 13/04/2025 18:01, Neil Waldhauer ha scritto:
>> >>>> On 04/12/25 03:29 pm, Doug Bissett wrote:
>> >>>>> On 2025-04-12, at 12:00:55, Allen Heath wrote:
>> >>>>>> I've been happily running as a guest under VirtualBox 6.1.40
>> >>>>>> since 2022.
>> >>>>>> However, it always reminds me that 7.1.6 is available, but I've been
>> >>>>>> reluctant to rock a well working boat.  What's the advantage or
>> >>>>>> disadvantage of either version under Windoze 11 host?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> The only "problems" I've had since 2022 are:
>> >>>>>> * shared folders sometimes show shared host file timestamps in
>> >>>>>> the Guest as
>> >>>>>> GMT times for a while, then magically start displaying in the local
>> >>>>>> timezone. And when that happens, if I create a file on the shared
>> >>>>>> folder
>> >>>>>> with the guest it appears at GMT time in the guest but the host
>> >>>>>> displays it
>> >>>>>> correctly in local time.  But restarting VirtualBox or just
>> >>>>>> waiting a while
>> >>>>>> the issue cures itself.
>> >>>>>> * pretty good luck with the PCNet-Fast III adapter except that
>> >>>>>> Net Used
>> >>>>>> drives (or even a massive FTP) run out of resources after a lot
>> >>>>>> of copying
>> >>>>>> and then resume working again if I pause for about 10 minutes and
>> >>>>>> then
>> >>>>>> retry the operation.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Will an upgrade fix any of this or just cause new problems?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Thanks,
>> >>>>>> Al
>> >>>>>
>> >>>> [snip]
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm trying to install eCS 2.1 on VirtualBox 7.1.6. I have not found
>> >>>> a configuration that can finish the install. My best effort so far
>> >>>> got to a place where printer installation was going on, but then
>> >>>> the eCS installer said "Error zip file read error". At the same
>> >>>> time, VirtualBox reports a crash and can't go on.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've used this iso a lot. I don't think it's defective. The
>> >>>> installer seems to run.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What system chipset do you recommend? Network card?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I have also tried my eCS 2.2 b2, but that also crashes during the
>> >>>> installation (TRAP in DaniS506)
>> >>>
>> >>> hi,
>> >>>
>> >>> don't use danis driver on VMs they do not work
>> >>>
>> >>> massimo
>> >> Thank you! I now have a VM where eCS installation completed. The
>> >> network does not function. What eCS driver would you recommend with
>> >> the Intel PRO/1000 MT adapter?
>> >>
>> >
>> > if eCS 2.2b you can try
>> >
>> > IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2) (IBMGU)
>> >
>> > this should work, but sometimes they give issue after the boot of the
>> > VM (don't ping, completely isolated, you have to reboot once again)
>> >
>> > MMLEM from AN are better (and faster)
>> >
>> > massimo
>> >
>> Thanks. I tried both, but neither worked until I changed the virtual
>> machine to PIIX3. So both now work.
>>
>> These are the virtual machine settings that worked
>> 4096 MB RAM
>> PIIX3 chipset
>> Video RAM 33 MB
>> PIIX4 disk controller (using IBM1S506.ADD)
>> 2 TB expanding drive
>> 20 GB boot volume E: formatted JFS
>> Intel PRO/1000 MT desktop (using IBM Gigabit Ethernet Adapter (OS/2)
>> (IBMGU.OS2))
>> USB 2.0
>>
>> This finally is working the way I'd expect eCS to work.
>>
>> --
>> Neil Waldhauer  neil@blondeguy.com  www.blondeguy.com
>> Expert consulting for OS/2 Warp, ArcaOS and eComStation
>>
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